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Post by greatkingrat on Jun 26, 2024 18:27:57 GMT
As questioned above the PPC for labour must have used an exchange if he bet against himself because as far as I know it is not possible to LAY an outcome with a normal High Street bookmaker either in the shops or online. So I strongly suspect that he has used an exchange in these circumstances. So he will be taking money from people, individuals and not a betting company. He might have just backed the Conservatives which would be functionally the same as laying Labour as they are the only two parties in contention for this seat. |
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Post by norflondon on Jun 26, 2024 18:39:28 GMT
OK I have just seen that he has clearly stated that he put a bet on the Tories to win. Labour party rules are pretty strict that if you support a candidate standing in an election where there is a Labour candidate you are automatically expelled from the party and I would expect this to happen in this case. But of course it won't.
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Post by stb12 on Jun 26, 2024 18:42:09 GMT
OK I have just seen that he has clearly stated that he put a bet on the Tories to win. Labour party rules are pretty strict that if you support a candidate standing in an election where there is a Labour candidate you are automatically expelled from the party and I would expect this to happen in this case. But of course it won't. Betting on something doesn’t necessarily mean you support that outcome. It isn’t for me but I know plenty of people who have bet against their own football team to give themselves a possible consolation prize if the team loses |
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Post by john07 on Jun 26, 2024 18:49:04 GMT
OK I have just seen that he has clearly stated that he put a bet on the Tories to win. Labour party rules are pretty strict that if you support a candidate standing in an election where there is a Labour candidate you are automatically expelled from the party and I would expect this to happen in this case. But of course it won't. Is putting a bet on the Tories to win a constituency ‘supporting’ the conservatives? If that’s the case then that would have expelled the likes of John Smith and Donald Dewar admitted betting on conservatives to win when they were students to raise funds. They were basing it on the bookmakers (or the betting public) overstating the unpopularity of the Tories. Hence there were some ridiculous odds which they took advantage of. It was a bloody stupid thing to do in the constituency he was contesting mind. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Jun 26, 2024 18:49:39 GMT
The Rule Book prohibits public endorsements, which is quite different.
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Post by No Offence Alan on Jun 26, 2024 18:50:46 GMT
OK I have just seen that he has clearly stated that he put a bet on the Tories to win. Labour party rules are pretty strict that if you support a candidate standing in an election where there is a Labour candidate you are automatically expelled from the party and I would expect this to happen in this case. But of course it won't. Betting on something doesn’t necessarily mean you support that outcome. It isn’t for me but I know plenty of people who have bet against their own football team to give themselves a possible consolation prize if the team loses But a candidate is in essence a "player". I emptied my Ladbrokes account betting on a Tory win in Chesham and Amersham but I was in no way involved in the campaign. |
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Post by stb12 on Jun 26, 2024 19:07:29 GMT
Betting on something doesn’t necessarily mean you support that outcome. It isn’t for me but I know plenty of people who have bet against their own football team to give themselves a possible consolation prize if the team loses But a candidate is in essence a "player". I emptied my Ladbrokes account betting on a Tory win in Chesham and Amersham but I was in no way involved in the campaign. This is true, I suppose as has been discussed it then comes down to the judgment of how much he could negatively influence the campaign as it’s not as straightforward as a player being able to put the ball in the back of their own net |
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Post by Foggy on Jun 27, 2024 2:03:02 GMT
OK I have just seen that he has clearly stated that he put a bet on the Tories to win. Labour party rules are pretty strict that if you support a candidate standing in an election where there is a Labour candidate you are automatically expelled from the party and I would expect this to happen in this case. But of course it won't. Betting on something doesn’t necessarily mean you support that outcome. It isn’t for me but I know plenty of people who have bet against their own football team to give themselves a possible consolation prize if the team loses Alas, I was too young to gamble when some bookies were making Man City second favourites for promotion from Division One in the summer of 1997, because I'd have (correctly) bet on relegation that season. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 27, 2024 13:24:18 GMT
Betting on something doesn’t necessarily mean you support that outcome. It isn’t for me but I know plenty of people who have bet against their own football team to give themselves a possible consolation prize if the team loses Alas, I was too young to gamble when some bookies were making Man City second favourites for promotion from Division One in the summer of 1997, because I'd have (correctly) bet on relegation that season. Frank Clark ...shudder. |
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Post by AlltheGoodUsernamesAreTaken on Jun 28, 2024 6:34:45 GMT
Just feel for the Labour Party activists in the constituency. Some for most of their lives have faithfully folded and posted leaflets and knocked on thousands of doors and now they have a candidate that has bet the Conservatives will win. I would feel completely demoralised and would either down tools or go to a neighbouring constituency to help.
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Post by batman on Jun 28, 2024 7:48:59 GMT
they probably were already mostly working in other constituencies, with Ipswich the obvious choice (even though that should be a fairly straightforward Labour gain)
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Post by Tony Otim on Jun 28, 2024 7:54:37 GMT
And if the voters dislike what he's done so much they can always punish him...
By making sure he loses his bet...
By electing him 🤔
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Post by AlltheGoodUsernamesAreTaken on Jun 28, 2024 8:00:39 GMT
And if the voters dislike what he's done so much they can always punish him... By making sure he loses his bet... By electing him 🤔 Me thinks you have exposed his cunning plan. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jul 3, 2024 16:39:30 GMT
I note that all the last MRPs have this seat going Labour ...
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Post by heslingtonian on Jul 11, 2024 7:47:12 GMT
Do we think Labour would have won this with a candidate who hadn't bet on himself to lose? I assume that's it for Kevin Craig's Parliamentary ambitions.
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Post by batman on Jul 11, 2024 8:03:24 GMT
It's a tough seat at the best of times. There is very little Labour potential outside the Ipswich wards and they don't constitute a large proportion of the seat.
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