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Post by rcronald on May 19, 2024 18:34:50 GMT
I've seen an ad elsewhere urging me to vote for an ALDE party. The advert explicitly says not Renew but ALDE. Previous ones I've seen refer to Renew. What exactly is the difference or connection? Could one of our yellow team shed any light? There are 2 Pan-European parties within the renew Parliamentary group: ALDE, and EDP. |
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Post by jamie on May 19, 2024 19:27:39 GMT
I've seen an ad elsewhere urging me to vote for an ALDE party. The advert explicitly says not Renew but ALDE. Previous ones I've seen refer to Renew. Is any swing voter going to decide to vote for their local affiliate based on their European membership, especially when it’s not even one of the two major political groups? |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on May 21, 2024 16:05:19 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 21, 2024 16:47:19 GMT
This has been brewing for a while. A source called the AfD nutcases the other week, and their comments about Mayotte went down very badly with the RN. Note on a related point that Meloni is swerving the AfD and instead hanging out with VdL. |
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Post by andrea on May 21, 2024 17:55:59 GMT
Lega is following Marine's line. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 21, 2024 19:45:36 GMT
I have now encountered a MeRA25 placard. They are the Varoufakis groupies.
The Family Party were on telly earlier. Their programme seems to consist of handing over more child benefit. A touch suspiciously, their only MEP resigned in February, to be replaced by his son...but is running again. Cough cough.
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Post by Georg Ebner on May 21, 2024 22:30:01 GMT
I have now encountered a MeRA25 placard. They are the Varoufakis groupies. The Family Party were on telly earlier. Their programme seems to consist of handing over more child benefit. A touch suspiciously, their only MEP resigned in February, to be replaced by his son...but is running again. Cough cough. Obviously they are a "Family Party"... |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on May 21, 2024 23:38:12 GMT
It was Krah's comments on the SS that seems to have been the catalyst. Frankly, I don't blame Le Pen. Krah and the AfD have gone off the deep end a bit. Indeed, Krah, in particular, is basically the CCP's man in Europe, speaking out against Taiwan, against the Uyghurs and even being in favour of China's occupation and colonisation of Tibet. If Le Pen wants to be French President, then distancing herself from the AfD is a must.
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Post by Georg Ebner on May 22, 2024 4:19:54 GMT
Austria's TheGreens nominated for leading their EP-list a young climateActivist, who was campaigning on "Europe needs heart":  But now DerStandard - Austria's Guardian - revealed, that she has intrigued and manipulated others (all inside the climaReligion-bubble) by accusing them incorrectly of rape, sexual misConDuct, violence aso. Becomes even more entertaining: That she liked leftExtremists or "Austria You Nazis", was without public outCry, of course. But now several people claim, that she called TheGreens the worst imaginable and has intended to join immediately after the election the faction of TheLeft... |
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Post by rcronald on May 22, 2024 4:35:54 GMT
It was Krah's comments on the SS that seems to have been the catalyst. Frankly, I don't blame Le Pen. Krah and the AfD have gone off the deep end a bit. Indeed, Krah, in particular, is basically the CCP's man in Europe, speaking out against Taiwan, against the Uyghurs and even being in favour of China's occupation and colonisation of Tibet. If Le Pen wants to be French President, then distancing herself from the AfD is a must. The AFD is probably the only ‘mainstream far-right’ party in the EU I’m actively disgusted by… |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on May 22, 2024 6:24:49 GMT
It was Krah's comments on the SS that seems to have been the catalyst. Frankly, I don't blame Le Pen. Krah and the AfD have gone off the deep end a bit. Indeed, Krah, in particular, is basically the CCP's man in Europe, speaking out against Taiwan, against the Uyghurs and even being in favour of China's occupation and colonisation of Tibet. If Le Pen wants to be French President, then distancing herself from the AfD is a must. The AFD is probably the only ‘mainstream far-right’ party in the EU I’m actively disgusted by… Yes, and it's a shame. Germany needs a strong nationalist party of the right that can safeguard German identity and culture, but which isn't a vessel for thinly disguised fascists and Nazi nostalgia. Instead, what they get is Krah, Höcke and Der Flügel... |
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Post by rcronald on May 22, 2024 6:25:53 GMT
The AFD is probably the only ‘mainstream far-right’ party in the EU I’m actively disgusted by… Yes, and it's a shame. Germany needs a strong nationalist party of the right that can safeguard German identity and culture, but which isn't a vessel for thinly disguised fascists and Nazi nostalgia. Instead, what they get is Krah, Höcke and Der Flügel... Unfortunately, Germans have a tendency to overreach. |
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Post by uthacalthing on May 22, 2024 15:48:13 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx88nwy934goAlternative for Germany (AfD)'s Maximilian Krah told journalists that SS members weren’t automatically "criminals"."It depends. You have to assess blame individually. At the end of the war there were almost a million SS. Günter Grass was also in the Waffen SS," he told La Repubblica and the Financial Times, referring to the German novelist who wrote The Tin Drum."Before I declare someone a criminal, I want to know what he did."I have to say, I dont disagree with anything in that. And until the moment they surrendered I would have been happy to see every one of them killed. Much the same as I feel about Hamas. If Hamas surrender, the winners hang about 20 of the ringleaders, about 20 footsoldiers who committed specific acts and the rest of the foot soldiers go home on a dishonourable discharge. Until the surrender, kill them all.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on May 22, 2024 17:30:58 GMT
If someone is part of a criminal organisation they are at the very least associating themselves with criminality. Whether you go as far as to say that makes someone an actual criminal is a bit semantic to be frank. Also, if we're being honest Boog, why couldn't he just say "yes"? He's either a very stupid man, or there are deeper views there. The latter of which would not be a surprise given how far right elements of the AfD really are.
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Post by rcronald on May 22, 2024 17:51:33 GMT
Not every German troop in WW2 was a criminal, but all of the SS probably were…
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Post by rcronald on May 22, 2024 17:52:43 GMT
If someone is part of a criminal organisation they are at the very least associating themselves with criminality. Whether you go as far as to say that makes someone an actual criminal is a bit semantic to be frank. Also, if we're being honest Boog, why couldn't he just say "yes"? He's either a very stupid man, or there are deeper views there. The latter of which would not be a surprise given how far right elements of the AfD really are. I feel for Weidel, she’s the only sane high ranking official left… |
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Post by carolus on May 22, 2024 18:11:18 GMT
I've seen an ad elsewhere urging me to vote for an ALDE party. The advert explicitly says not Renew but ALDE. Previous ones I've seen refer to Renew. What exactly is the difference or connection? Could one of our yellow team shed any light? There are 2 Pan-European parties within the renew Parliamentary group: ALDE, and EDP. There are also some national parties (primarily Renaissance) who are members of Renew but neither ALDE nor EDP - indeed Renew was formed as an alliance between the previous ALDE group (which also included both ALDE and EDP) and Renaissance. Only a cynic would comment on the fact that RE is the shortening of both the new euro-group and the party. cf EM. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on May 22, 2024 18:13:10 GMT
If someone is part of a criminal organisation they are at the very least associating themselves with criminality. Whether you go as far as to say that makes someone an actual criminal is a bit semantic to be frank. Also, if we're being honest Boog, why couldn't he just say "yes"? He's either a very stupid man, or there are deeper views there. The latter of which would not be a surprise given how far right elements of the AfD really are. I feel for Weidel, she’s the only sane high ranking official left… Yes, she was part of the party when it was a Euro sceptical anti-bailout party. It moved pretty quickly though, and then she should have joined the CDU. They can be pushed to the right, as Merz has shown, and she would not have needed to associate herself with political riffraff. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 22, 2024 18:47:38 GMT
Not every German troop in WW2 was a criminal, but all of the SS probably were… I would broadly agree, whilst noting that there were conscripts sent to the SS, especially later on. Indeed, in the case of the Malgré-nous (Alsatians forced into the German army), quite a few were sent to the SS in Russia as a punishment for resisting, or were told that there would be reprisals against their families. Günter Grass, however, was a piece of shit. He asked for sympathy for being forced into the SS, after decades of castigating just about everyone for just about anything they did or didn't do during the war. A coward. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 22, 2024 19:05:27 GMT
If someone is part of a criminal organisation they are at the very least associating themselves with criminality. Whether you go as far as to say that makes someone an actual criminal is a bit semantic to be frank. Also, if we're being honest Boog, why couldn't he just say "yes"? He's either a very stupid man, or there are deeper views there. The latter of which would not be a surprise given how far right elements of the AfD really are. I feel for Weidel, she’s the only sane high ranking official left… At the current rate, she'll be expelled. Quite why they have put themselves into hock with utter tossers like Krah, or Bystrom or Höcke is incredible. Chrupalla is merely an idiot. The writing was on the wall when Meuthen forced Petry out, and then was forced out himself. |
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