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Post by andrea on Jun 10, 2024 7:00:58 GMT
Italy
60.411 polling stations out of 61.650
Brothers of Italy 28.81%
PD 24.03%
5 Stars 9.97%
Forza Italia 9.70%
Lega 9.09%
Green Left 6.65%
Renzi/Bonino 3.75%
Calenda 3.32%
Threshold to get seats is 4%
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 10, 2024 7:04:27 GMT
Final France Rassemblement National 31.36% (30 seats) PdF 0.6 (1 seat) (+1) (who are they?) The Portable Document Format party! Struggling to edit here! |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 10, 2024 7:08:25 GMT
PdF are apparently some sort of vaguely Lib Dem-ish outfit from Cologne. They've done well given their complete obscurity.
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Post by noorderling on Jun 10, 2024 7:18:16 GMT
So the EPP can form a majority with the S&D? Plus the hard right went backwards in Sweden, Portugal, Poland and Hungary. It doesn’t really work like that. There’s no formal majority coalition, like you would need to form a government. It’s voting on a case to case basis, with different majorities on different issues. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jun 10, 2024 7:22:11 GMT
Guardian's provision result:
Left 36
S&D 139
Grn 52
Re 80
EPP 184
ECR 73
ID 58
NI 45
Unallocated 53
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Post by rcronald on Jun 10, 2024 7:29:10 GMT
Guardian's provision result: Left 36 S&D 139 Grn 52 Re 80 EPP 184 ECR 73 ID 58 NI 45 Unallocated 53 Looks like the right is going to have a majority on most issues. I’d be curious to see if 1.There are enough parties to create a nationalist left group 2.How many NI parties end up in ID and ECR 3.If renew splits into 2 groups 4.If ID is going to take AFD back if they kick Krah out. |
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Post by oldhamexile on Jun 10, 2024 7:55:37 GMT
Final France Rassemblement National 31.36% (30 seats) PdF 0.6 (1 seat) (+1) (who are they?) The Portable Document Format party! They are broadly centrist/liberal: the sort who believe that if only their type of young professionals could get together over a coffee or in a WhatsApp group and be nice to each other, they could avoid all of the nasty divisions of partisan politics. |
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Post by oldhamexile on Jun 10, 2024 7:58:52 GMT
Guardian's provision result: Left 36 S&D 139 Grn 52 Re 80 EPP 184 ECR 73 ID 58 NI 45 Unallocated 53 Looks like the right is going to have a majority on most issues. I’d be curious to see if 1.There are enough parties to create a nationalist left group 2.How many NI parties end up in ID and ECR 3.If renew splits into 2 groups 4.If ID is going to take AFD back if they kick Krah out. Krah is only part of the problem. Putinist corruption has entered the AfD's bone marrow. Le Pen knows that Meloni et al would never wish to be in the same room as AfD, even though (oddly) ECR admitted smaller Putinist parties such as Zemmour's Reconquête. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 10, 2024 8:01:36 GMT
The Portable Document Format party! They are broadly centrist/liberal: the sort who believe that if only their type of young professionals could get together over a coffee or in a WhatsApp group and be nice to each other, they could avoid all of the nasty divisions of partisan politics. This is a very fun description, which is going to reappear on this forum. They seem to be like Volt but without the national self-loathing. The kind of people who like to use the phrase "evidence-based policies", but won't change their mind if the evidence doesn't suit them. |
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Post by rcronald on Jun 10, 2024 8:04:36 GMT
Looks like the right is going to have a majority on most issues. I’d be curious to see if 1.There are enough parties to create a nationalist left group 2.How many NI parties end up in ID and ECR 3.If renew splits into 2 groups 4.If ID is going to take AFD back if they kick Krah out. Krah is only part of the problem. Putinist corruption has entered the AfD's bone marrow. Le Pen knows that Meloni et al would never wish to be in the same room as AfD, even though (oddly) ECR admitted smaller Putinist parties such as Zemmour's Reconquête. They could always expel them again! |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 10, 2024 8:05:34 GMT
Guardian's provision result: Left 36 S&D 139 Grn 52 Re 80 EPP 184 ECR 73 ID 58 NI 45 Unallocated 53 Looks like the right is going to have a majority on most issues. I’d be curious to see if 1.There are enough parties to create a nationalist left group 2.How many NI parties end up in ID and ECR 3.If renew splits into 2 groups 4.If ID is going to take AFD back if they kick Krah out. The big problem with German political parties is that it is legally very difficult to kick anyone out. This is a hangover not just of Nazism but of Weimar - parties were easy to capture if you purged people. And this isn't just about the AfD. Die Linke couldn't expel Wagenknecht, the FDP desperately wanted rid of Jürgen Möllemann (ask your parents, kids), the CDU could not expel Maaßen...the list goes on. |
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Post by rcronald on Jun 10, 2024 8:20:27 GMT
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Post by finsobruce on Jun 10, 2024 8:58:02 GMT
Looks like the right is going to have a majority on most issues. I’d be curious to see if 1.There are enough parties to create a nationalist left group 2.How many NI parties end up in ID and ECR 3.If renew splits into 2 groups 4.If ID is going to take AFD back if they kick Krah out. The big problem with German political parties is that it is legally very difficult to kick anyone out. This is a hangover not just of Nazism but of Weimar - parties were easy to capture if you purged people. And this isn't just about the AfD. Die Linke couldn't expel Wagenknecht, the FDP desperately wanted rid of Jürgen Möllemann (ask your parents, kids), the CDU could not expel Maaßen...the list goes on. So how is the law framed exactly? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2024 9:17:52 GMT
When will East Germany get levelling up funding?
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 10, 2024 9:37:37 GMT
So the EPP can form a majority with the S&D? Plus the hard right went backwards in Sweden, Portugal, Poland and Hungary. It didn’t go backwards in Portugal.. Not compared with the last European elections, no. But still the popular narrative regarding these elections of "MASSIVE FAR RIGHT WAVE" is rather simplistic. Its relying a *lot* on France, Italy and Germany. (and another question is how long we might be able to seriously regard FdI as "far right") |
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Post by rcronald on Jun 10, 2024 9:43:49 GMT
It didn’t go backwards in Portugal.. Not compared with the last European elections, no. But still the popular narrative regarding these elections of "MASSIVE FAR RIGHT WAVE" is rather simplistic. Its relying a *lot* on France, Italy and Germany. (and another question is how long we might be able to seriously regard FdI as "far right") Fdl is just a normal right wing party. Not Centre right, but also not far right. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 10, 2024 10:14:47 GMT
Its the historical heritage from Mussolini and his successors, though that is likely to become less important over time.
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Post by rcronald on Jun 10, 2024 10:20:49 GMT
Looks like ‘Voice of Reason’ is a Centre right to right wing party, it would probably fit the best in the less hard right end of ECR or perhaps the more right-wing corner of EPP.
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Post by carolus on Jun 10, 2024 10:24:34 GMT
I don't think this is as strange a move as it appears on the surface - they are populist-agrarian rather than "Green" in the sense we'd normally understand. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jun 10, 2024 10:25:52 GMT
When will East Germany get levelling up funding? If you earn above a certain amount, you have to pay "Solidarity Contributions ", which essentially are a tax to pay for the East. But in reality, it isn't hypothecated. |
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