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Post by neilm on Dec 17, 2014 17:50:44 GMT
They sound like the views I hear from Labour members and supporters regularly. I've never heard anyone mention work permits for clerics though.
When did he leave the council? He was mayor almost 30 years ago if that is right!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2014 18:00:01 GMT
They sound like the views I hear from Labour members and supporters regularly. I've never heard anyone mention work permits for clerics though. When did he leave the council? He was mayor almost 30 years ago if that is right! I dont hear many like that. Most of the ones around here are Dolores Umbridge types. |
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Post by neilm on Dec 17, 2014 18:22:34 GMT
Plenty of Labour supporters who don't like lots of immigrants or what they see as benefit scroungers.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Dec 17, 2014 22:15:37 GMT
Plenty of Labour supporters who don't like lots of immigrants or what they see as benefit scroungers. Then as Mike says, they are supporting the wrong party |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Dec 20, 2014 21:07:59 GMT
Plenty of Labour supporters who don't like lots of immigrants or what they see as benefit scroungers. Then as Mike says, they are supporting the wrong party I suspect that a Labour Party populated only by people of whom Mike approves would be a rather smaller Labour Party. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2014 21:59:39 GMT
Then as Mike says, they are supporting the wrong party I suspect that a Labour Party populated only by people of whom Mike approves would be a rather smaller Labour Party. Well, Mike and Emily Thornberry would still be in! |
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Post by Merseymike on Dec 20, 2014 22:27:58 GMT
I think it might well make sense to have more but smaller parties, which actually have some ideological coherence......
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Post by neilm on Dec 23, 2014 17:47:34 GMT
Indeed.
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Post by Andrew_S on Jan 12, 2015 17:22:50 GMT
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Post by Andrew_S on Jan 20, 2015 7:35:25 GMT
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jan 20, 2015 14:04:40 GMT
One of her reasons for leaving the Lib Dems is what they (LDs) are "thinking of doing to the NHS". Does she know what UKIP are "thinking of doing to the NHS"? |
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Post by Tony Otim on Jan 20, 2015 14:40:28 GMT
Do UKIP know what UKIP are thinking of doing to the NHS this week?
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Post by Devonian on Jan 20, 2015 21:23:36 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 20, 2015 21:53:10 GMT
I'm not sure what's more ridiculous- the defection or the Labour claim that this was the day that Farage had "confirmed he is privatising the NHS". |
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Post by Crimson King on Jan 20, 2015 21:55:47 GMT
One of her reasons for leaving the Lib Dems is what they (LDs) are "thinking of doing to the NHS". Does she know what UKIP are "thinking of doing to the NHS"? no that is consistent, she presumably objects to investing in the NHS (which is what we are thinking of) and supports its dismantling (Farage this morning, I think- may be different by now) |
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Post by Andrew_S on Jan 21, 2015 1:23:30 GMT
UKIP doesn't have a candidate yet for Bishop Auckland. |
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Post by peterl on Jan 21, 2015 1:27:13 GMT
According to the BBC news page, Nigel has merely predicted that there will be a debate on an "insurance model" in the near future. That is a long way from stating that adopting such a model is UKIP policy.
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Post by neilm on Jan 21, 2015 1:54:26 GMT
I love this 'debate' about 'privatising' the NHS. No one is doing that but the people suggesting that it's happening should hope I'm never in power because they'd find out pretty damn quick what actual privatisation looks like.
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Post by john07 on Jan 21, 2015 3:23:07 GMT
According to the BBC news page, Nigel has merely predicted that there will be a debate on an "insurance model" in the near future. That is a long way from stating that adopting such a model is UKIP policy. Has made it perfectly clear that he wishes to move the NHS to an insurance based system but has been unable to convince his Party. |
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Post by casualobserver on Jan 21, 2015 5:45:01 GMT
According to the BBC news page, Nigel has merely predicted that there will be a debate on an "insurance model" in the near future. That is a long way from stating that adopting such a model is UKIP policy. Has made it perfectly clear that he wishes to move the NHS to an insurance based system but has been unable to convince his Party. That's absolutely right. Farrage gets his way on everything = party dictatorship Farrage doesn't get his way on everything = hopeless shambles Unless you are in a party with a membership which you can count on the fingers of two hands, you are going to get disagreement. If you are a member of a political party which aspires to have national impact, then you end up with having enough members with sufficiently different views on subjects to require a process of internal party debate about policies. People who agree with the details of every single policy of their party just don't think for themselves. Farrage astutely encouraged a "no whipping" system for local Councillors, allowing them, in the luxury of their minority groups on Councils, to disagree in public on local issues yet (most of the time) to stay within the UKIP group. All of this is consistent and logical, yet Farrage gets in political difficulties for disagreeing with his party's policies on the NHS. That appears to be because, in not following the conventional fiction that political parties are all united (at least at the top leadership levels) he's stretched the "honest" approach too far. I think that Farrage is correct when he acknowledges that there are differences in policy at the top of every party. I think he is wrong in believing that the credit he will be given for such candour about his own party will outweigh the negative impression given of a chaotic, disunited (and therefore unelectable) UKIP. I dont think that that's either fair or correct, but that's life In the real world - and who said anything about the real world being fair? |
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