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Post by carlton43 on Mar 4, 2015 14:38:26 GMT
Is it ever possible to argue that a defection quite properly follows a de-selection not because if pique or ego but out of principle, on grounds that "that was my last hurrah at espousing the views I hold, the party no longer represents them"? And has anyone ever defected following the failure to be selected of someone else? Your final sentence has an ambiguity. Someone other than you Someone other than your preference Someone other than the one chosen? |
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 4, 2015 19:06:56 GMT
I think on the second point, such members simply drift away. "oh yeah, gimme a seat boys, to keep control..." |
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Post by Andrew_S on Mar 4, 2015 21:23:14 GMT
Nice song, never heard it before. One of the biggest hits of 1973 according to Wikipedia. I think on the second point, such members simply drift away. "oh yeah, gimme a seat boys, to keep control..." |
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 4, 2015 22:09:28 GMT
Actually it never was a hit here though it got a lot of radio play. Big in the States though. Great song
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 4, 2015 22:23:46 GMT
I wasn't familiar with it either- the only Dobie Gray song I know is On The Floor, which despite its vastly dated lyrics, is brilliant.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 4, 2015 22:29:13 GMT
In response to the latter point, Councillor Laura Booth (Offerton, Stockport) quit Labour after the deselection of her other half, Paul Moss, in North Reddish. Cllr Moss suddenly discovered longstanding differences with Labour and quit as well. Cllr Booth constantly attacks Labour and positively retweets the Lib Dem cllrs, so I assume it won't be long before she follows Cllr McAuley across the political divide. Given her former total opposition to the Lib Dems control of the council, not least her vocal antipathy to the ennobled former council leader she defeated (who is now back on the council), this damascene journey will be fun to observe. That Twitter suggests massive egotism, obsession with a narrow range of issues, and a general sense of being a pain in the jacksie. |
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 4, 2015 22:33:03 GMT
I wasn't familiar with it either- the only Dobie Gray song I know is On The Floor, which despite its vastly dated lyrics, is brilliant. Surely you know his original version of "The In Crowd"? As Mike says "Drift Away" wasn't a hit in the UK which I always find astonishing. Another thing to blame Ted Heath for.  |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Mar 4, 2015 22:37:01 GMT
I wasn't familiar with it either- the only Dobie Gray song I know is On The Floor, which despite its vastly dated lyrics, is brilliant. Surely you know his original version of "The In Crowd"? As Mike says "Drift Away" wasn't a hit in the UK which I always find astonishing. Another thing to blame Ted Heath for. I'd forgotten that- I never associate that with him for some reason. |
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 4, 2015 22:43:26 GMT
Blame Brian Ferry. But not Ramsey Lewis:
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 4, 2015 22:45:05 GMT
I wasn't familiar with it either- the only Dobie Gray song I know is On The Floor, which despite its vastly dated lyrics, is brilliant. Surely you know his original version of "The In Crowd"? As Mike says "Drift Away" wasn't a hit in the UK which I always find astonishing. Another thing to blame Ted Heath for. Don't push it too far Fins. Like me, the Grocer, was not interested in pop. |
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 4, 2015 22:58:55 GMT
Surely you know his original version of "The In Crowd"? As Mike says "Drift Away" wasn't a hit in the UK which I always find astonishing. Another thing to blame Ted Heath for. Don't push it too far Fins. Like me, the Grocer, was not interested in pop. True it is... |
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 4, 2015 23:00:22 GMT
and not to be confused with....
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 4, 2015 23:25:27 GMT
Well done. Oh that man was an irritation. As Bernard Levin once had it "His conducting and playing on his organ make some of us fear he is neglecting his sailing".
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Post by finsobruce on Mar 4, 2015 23:36:09 GMT
Well done. Oh that man was an irritation. As Bernard Levin once had it "His conducting and playing on his organ make some of us fear he is neglecting his sailing". And an even odder clip... At an educated guess I would say they are singing the "Boar's Head carol". |
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 4, 2015 23:39:47 GMT
Gorgeous stuff you have unearthed. Heath so often looked like a primped up naughty school boy allowed to show off in front of the grown-up at Christmas and milking every moment of it. A strange character and I wonder what stories might yet surface about him?
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Post by Crimson King on Mar 4, 2015 23:45:51 GMT
Well done. Oh that man was an irritation. As Bernard Levin once had it "His conducting and playing on his organ make some of us fear he is neglecting his sailing". And an even odder clip... At an educated guess I would say they are singing the "Boar's Head carol". they are |
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 5, 2015 12:49:35 GMT
This fervent desire to believe that a man must be a kiddy fiddler simply because you despise his politics is perhaps your most socialist trait. Hmmm! Your very own personal Morton's Fork Boogie. A slur on me and on socialism, and on each within terms of the other, thus damning me and damning socialism by poisoned contiguity. That wasn't nice old fellow, nor was it fair. You assume that I would stoop to a false assertion of abuse merely to blacken the name of a politician I did not like. Do you really believe that of me? If not I feel I am owed an apology. I lived right through the Heath era and remember all of what was freely known, much gossip and scurrility, the inventions/discoveries of Private Eye, the first and second hand observations of associates in the Conservative Party and the Press. Out of all that I came to the conclusion that there was no need for the massive amount of activity and rebuttal and close-down by a small department of people at Central Office if there was nothing at all to hide. He was a strange and complex character and many of us had suspicions at the time based on rafts of rumour, some of which was very unpleasant indeed. I have no evidence but I do have what I regard as genuine suspicions based on some of those second and third hand accounts from people who were not scurrilous and very concerned. It is not as if we have no evidence of such activity at the high profile cases now in full view? I did suspect Savile and Heath 'at the time' but had no inkling about Rolf Harris. |
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Post by carlton43 on Mar 5, 2015 16:18:18 GMT
I may have improved your knowledge but perhaps not your manners? |
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Post by john07 on Mar 10, 2015 18:20:24 GMT
and not to be confused with.... That Ted Heath had a much better band! |
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