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Post by Pete Whitehead on Aug 31, 2014 12:55:55 GMT
Yeah you're right. Must be thinking of Harwich constituency then or 2004
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2014 22:37:10 GMT
According to the Independent, Zac Goldsmith said he would be tempted to defect to UKIP if the party 'entirely embraced the environmental agenda.' Over to you guys
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Post by independentukip on Aug 31, 2014 23:08:30 GMT
According to the Independent, Zac Goldsmith said he would be tempted to defect to UKIP if the party 'entirely embraced the environmental agenda.' Over to you guys Kippers have a slightly imperfect preference for party membership & electoral support to rise rather than fall so no thanks from me at any rate. He has more in common with your lot, methinks. As he's in the mood for defecting are Caroline & Natalie in close contact with him?
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Post by independentukip on Aug 31, 2014 23:20:19 GMT
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Post by neilm on Sept 1, 2014 9:27:52 GMT
According to the Independent, Zac Goldsmith said he would be tempted to defect to UKIP if the party 'entirely embraced the environmental agenda.' Over to you guys I like the environmental agenda. I don't like the Green agenda.
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 1, 2014 9:42:03 GMT
According to the Independent, Zac Goldsmith said he would be tempted to defect to UKIP if the party 'entirely embraced the environmental agenda.' Over to you guys I like the environmental agenda. I don't like the Green agenda. I favour close support for old-style mixed farming agriculture, local fisheries, forestry, ancient woodland management,woodland natural regeneration, hedgerow saving and replacing, drystone wall maintenance, upland farming, old breeds, orchards and hopfields. Also hydro and barrage schemes. I don't support wind farms, solar farms and penalties on buyers of fuel and power to support non-economic so-called renewables.
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Post by Merseymike on Sept 1, 2014 10:21:11 GMT
Then you had better hope someone somewhere invents something else which doesn't have the environmental consequences of conventional energy.
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Post by neilm on Sept 1, 2014 10:25:47 GMT
Wave, hydro, geothermal etc you mean?
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 1, 2014 10:27:11 GMT
Then you had better hope someone somewhere invents something else which doesn't have the environmental consequences of conventional energy. It is perfectly possible to burn fuels and not produce the dangerous emissions of yesteryear.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2014 11:06:56 GMT
According to the Independent, Zac Goldsmith said he would be tempted to defect to UKIP if the party 'entirely embraced the environmental agenda.' Over to you guys Richmond Park - that well known UKIP target seat... A defeat for UKIP there (and it would be a defeat, probably in 3rd or even 4th place) wouldn't be good for the party.
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Post by Merseymike on Sept 1, 2014 11:58:14 GMT
Then you had better hope someone somewhere invents something else which doesn't have the environmental consequences of conventional energy. It is perfectly possible to burn fuels and not produce the dangerous emissions of yesteryear. Sigh - but makes far more sense not to take the risk, which , frankly, I don't agree with you about in any case. Still, at least I won't be here to see the consequences.
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Post by Andrew_S on Sept 1, 2014 21:27:01 GMT
"A series of local Conservatives have joined the former Tory Douglas Carswell in his defection to Ukip. Mike Wadham, treasurer of his old association, Clacton Conservatives, is among those to have jumped ship, citing loyalty to the former MP as his reason. He told his new colleagues that “if Douglas had joined the Teddy Bear Party, I would have gone with him”. His predecessor as treasurer, Ashley Mooney, has also pledged to switch to Ukip and campaign for Mr Carswell." www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article4193857.ece
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Post by greenchristian on Sept 1, 2014 22:26:31 GMT
Then you had better hope someone somewhere invents something else which doesn't have the environmental consequences of conventional energy. It is perfectly possible to burn fuels and not produce the dangerous emissions of yesteryear. You seem to be under the (incorrect) impression that the much-talked-about "clean coal" technology actually exists in a usable form.
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Post by independentukip on Oct 1, 2014 0:35:55 GMT
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Post by Andrew_S on Oct 3, 2014 18:28:48 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2014 21:23:46 GMT
the only ones we have had recently are to Indy and usually problems with local party, selections that kind of thing. It is often said that UKIP is the Conservative Party in exile. That list would seem to prove it. A neutral observer may say that the defectors are leading the Conservatives into exile, Labour Govenment by default next time round with a dozen SNP and the Irish holding the balance of power.
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Post by Devonian on Oct 9, 2014 18:21:31 GMT
Paul Coddington, Doncaster Council, Independent to UKIP
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Post by jonarny on Oct 16, 2014 0:34:36 GMT
It is often said that UKIP is the Conservative Party in exile. That list would seem to prove it. A neutral observer may say that the defectors are leading the Conservatives into exile, Labour Govenment by default next time round with a dozen SNP and the Irish holding the balance of power. I'm not convinced that we'll have a Labour government because of UKIP, but if Labour were to win in 2015, UKIP's potential would be much greater in currently Labour-held seats. An unpopular Miliband government would be in danger of leaking a substantial number of seats to UKIP; there are many Labour-held seats which would be easier for UKIP to win than (say) Heywood & Middleton. These seats just aren't getting polled at the moment because they tend to be safe-ish Labour seats. UKIP will gain a lot of second places in these at the General Election in my view, almost by default due to a decline in Con/LD shares. So if UKIP did somehow help Labour into power in 2015, it would then harm Labour in 2020.
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Post by Merseymike on Oct 17, 2014 16:57:18 GMT
Dependent on how the Labour government performed.....If they did well it could end up an 83 situation with the bickering going on within the right wing parties. Obviously conjecture.
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 17, 2014 18:05:27 GMT
Walter Benjamin once pointed out that the greatest mistake the German labour movement made before 1933 was to assume that History was on its side.
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