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Post by batman on Mar 2, 2024 18:08:31 GMT
And it's not the first time. He's just a bigot pretending to be anti-racist. If you recall he insulted Humza Yousaf in a related way. Unless you're of Arab ethnicity he will racially insult you if he dislikes you.
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Post by batman on Mar 2, 2024 18:10:06 GMT
And even then he has cheered on mass-murderers of Arab people including Assad & Saddam Hussein. So, (expletive deleted) him.
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Post by Sibboleth on Mar 2, 2024 18:25:30 GMT
There's an obvious cynical calculation to remarks like that as well given the demographics of his vote, which is why Sunak would be well-advised not to give him an excuse to make them.*
*And shouldn't anyway. You do not give politics of his ilk free publicity!
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Post by mattbewilson on Mar 2, 2024 18:50:05 GMT
And even then he has cheered on mass-murderers of Arab people including Assad & Saddam Hussein. So, (expletive deleted) him. he's not the only one unfortunately |
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Post by manchesterman on Mar 2, 2024 20:26:16 GMT
One possibility is that he’s bullshitting, but the other possibility is that he’s just being a bit clumsy in expressing his words and calculations. If the raw figures are correct (13,460 PVs and 12,335 GG votes), then he might think that it is interesting that 12,335 is 91% of 13,460, but he might not even be intending to say that they are the same 12,335. The first time I stood as a candidate (for the Chocolate Fudge Cake Party in Fairfield ward, Croydon, in 1994) there were 175 postal votes out of the turnout of 4,998. I got 175 votes. It’s interesting that it’s the same number.Are you sure it wasnt in Tower Hamlets?  |
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Post by batman on Mar 2, 2024 21:36:48 GMT
I am not keen on chocolate cakes and would have had to vote Labour to keep the cakes out.
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Post by London Lad on Mar 2, 2024 23:07:05 GMT
or just release the official figures of how many postal votes were counted - why is it a secret? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Mar 2, 2024 23:12:15 GMT
Also the figures for spoiled ballots were not read out as part of the declaration. I think it was somewhere in the region of 177 in total - somewhat higher than typical. Perhaps someone should email the Returning Officer. I would, but it turns out I can't be arsed to.
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Post by johnloony on Mar 3, 2024 0:24:36 GMT
One possibility is that he’s bullshitting, but the other possibility is that he’s just being a bit clumsy in expressing his words and calculations. If the raw figures are correct (13,460 PVs and 12,335 GG votes), then he might think that it is interesting that 12,335 is 91% of 13,460, but he might not even be intending to say that they are the same 12,335. The first time I stood as a candidate (for the Chocolate Fudge Cake Party in Fairfield ward, Croydon, in 1994) there were 175 postal votes out of the turnout of 4,998. I got 175 votes. It’s interesting that it’s the same number.Are you sure it wasnt in Tower Hamlets? Yes I am sure of that. The other statistic which I remember from the local elections of 1994 is that whereas Fairfield was the ward with the most postal votes (175, possibly because of several care homes), Fieldway (now New Addington North) had the fewest, with 10. And it was on my mother’s birthday. And Fairfield (with the biggest turnout of any ward (4,998), and with 11 candidates) was the last to declare its result (1:45am). |
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Post by Sandy on Mar 3, 2024 1:59:43 GMT
This is a good place to begin my take on this By election. Starmer has publicly take the knee and apologised to the people of Rochdale for Labours inability to find them a decent candidate that they would vote for. He may be missing the point. They dont want a decent candidate. They want a candidate in their own image. Page one of a few Every constituency has some child molestors, some religious nut jobs, some bigots, some inbred morons, but there is no such thing as their fair share. Rochdale the record shows has a generous share. Obviously not all take this proclivity to a criminal extent but the friends, colleagues and family members of those who do are likely to at best be tolerant of them and at worst lean towards them. Perhaps Rochdale got not only the MP it deserved, but the MP is aspires to? In terms of the wider picture, what should we read into this? I dont think we should read very much and nothing that we did not already know, so my interest is in the extent to which far too much will be read into it, in particular by the Labour Party. This by election tells us that the UKs Muslim population to an overhelming extent will vote on matters pertaining to being Muslim over matters pertaining to being British, like cost of living, the economy, taxation, public services. They are not integrated let alone assimilated and they have no wish to be so. They will vote overwhelmingly in a sectarian manner given that as a viable option. While pundits wail that this is a new phenomenon, it is not. Much of Scotland voted on sectarian lines for half a century to suppress the Catholic menace and in return Catholics also voted on sectarian lines. Then we moved to a situation where in the Scottish Labour Party both sectarian Protestants and sectarian Catholics in adjacent towns committed to keeping the other down. Northern Ireland still exists and come to that Jews, Hindus and Sikhs vote as a block to a considerable extent. So its not new and its not unique. And it will not be eradicated by seeking to understand their concerns, it will eradicated by it being socially unacceptable, career ending and impoverishing. When dealing with white working racism this fact is understood. If you vote BNP you are trash. End of discussion, end of career. Orange Lodge? Here is your coat. Catholic wittering on about abortion? Bye now. Now, all we need to do is apply the same strictures to bigots who pray five times a day. A pro life Catholic just won an election. Thanks for the offer, but I won't take that as a sign to stop wittering on. We also won't be needing to elect a new people of Rochdale just because they chose a candidate who won't cosy up to some imaginary consensus that doesn't survive contact with reality. I’ll stop wittering on about abortion when it’s illegal. |
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Post by greenhert on Mar 3, 2024 8:18:09 GMT
Also the figures for spoiled ballots were not read out as part of the declaration. I think it was somewhere in the region of 177 in total - somewhat higher than typical. Perhaps someone should email the Returning Officer. I would, but it turns out I can't be arsed to. Why were they not read out? The numbers of rejected ballots in an election have to be recorded and made available by law. |
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Post by graham on Mar 3, 2024 10:25:47 GMT
Also the figures for spoiled ballots were not read out as part of the declaration. I think it was somewhere in the region of 177 in total - somewhat higher than typical. Perhaps someone should email the Returning Officer. I would, but it turns out I can't be arsed to. Why were they not read out? The numbers of rejected ballots in an election have to be recorded and made available by law. They doubtless have to be published, but I am not sure they have to be included in the declaration announcement. It is certainly a fairly recent detail in that Returning Officrts back in the 60s/70s & 80s made no reference at all to it. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Mar 3, 2024 13:44:41 GMT
or just release the official figures of how many postal votes were counted - why is it a secret? In my experience the number of postal votes is announced at the count, as the first stage is the verification of postal ballots. If you are skilled you can get a 1/50th sample, which is good enough for a broad brush picture. |
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Post by London Lad on Mar 3, 2024 15:55:55 GMT
Is 43% high? - or is it an increasing trend?
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Post by maxque on Mar 3, 2024 16:01:40 GMT
Is 43% high? - or is it an increasing trend? From memory, high for a general election, but not out of the norm for a by-election. |
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Post by bsjmcr on Mar 3, 2024 16:25:53 GMT
Also the figures for spoiled ballots were not read out as part of the declaration. I think it was somewhere in the region of 177 in total - somewhat higher than typical. Perhaps someone should email the Returning Officer. I would, but it turns out I can't be arsed to. Why were they not read out? The numbers of rejected ballots in an election have to be recorded and made available by law. If so they should just read out the total number. Nobody cares about ‘Want of official mark’ which is almost always 0 which is a waste of time when people are waiting to speak/hear the victor/go home. And genuine question, how can something be ‘rejected in part’ - it either is or isn’t! |
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Post by maxque on Mar 3, 2024 16:30:23 GMT
Why were they not read out? The numbers of rejected ballots in an election have to be recorded and made available by law. If so they should just read out the total number. Nobody cares about ‘Want of official mark’ which is almost always 0 which is a waste of time when people are waiting to speak/hear the victor/go home. And genuine question, how can something be ‘rejected in part’ - it either is or isn’t! It cannot happen here, but it can happen in multi-seat elections. From Electoral Commission guidance: |
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Post by gibbon on Mar 3, 2024 16:57:36 GMT
43% looks high for postal votes in any election. Who would conduct any investigation? What would be the timetable for such an investigation and how long would we have to wait until it is concluded? If it was the police the probability is that by the time it is over we would have had the General Election and nothing could happen for ages. If Reform consider that there are grounds to issue an election petition this could lead, if successful to the Court disqualifying anyone who has breached election law, such as overspending. All very interesting.
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Post by iainbhx on Mar 3, 2024 16:59:48 GMT
Is 43% high? - or is it an increasing trend? I realise that it will be very disappointing to you, but the lower the turnout in an election the more significant the postal votes are. many of the local by-elections each week are majority postal vote and some are even super majority postal vote. 60% is actually a very base line turnout of postal votes. On of the reasons that the postal vote isn't more restricted is that turnout remains usually between 50-80% for postal voters even for such major attractions as PCC by-elections and that generally across the UK, the postal vote favours the Conservative and Unionist party. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Mar 3, 2024 17:21:37 GMT
43% looks high for postal votes in any election. Who would conduct any investigation? What would be the timetable for such an investigation and how long would we have to wait until it is concluded? If it was the police the probability is that by the time it is over we would have had the General Election and nothing could happen for ages. If Reform consider that there are grounds to issue an election petition this could lead, if successful to the Court disqualifying anyone who has breached election law, such as overspending. All very interesting. Investigate what? |
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