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Post by graham on Feb 11, 2024 15:00:57 GMT
Ironically this candidate might now become more attractive to the alienated Muslim voters who are contemplating supporting Galloway. What a shambles though!
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 11, 2024 15:29:40 GMT
I suspect, if this is just an isolated incident of falling for one conspiracy theory, having had decades of commitment to interfaith and intercommunity work involving Jews, then his apology may be considered credible. Azhar Ali has called out antisemitism in the past, even during the Corbyn era. |
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Post by greenhert on Feb 11, 2024 15:33:05 GMT
Odds are surprisingly generous in this by-election-odds for George Galloway to win this by-election are as good as 3/1 in some markets whereas odds for Azhar Ali to hold this by-election for Labour get as bad as 4/11.
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Post by adlai52 on Feb 11, 2024 15:33:52 GMT
I’m currently at a Labour conference, news here is that he has been sacked as Labour Candidate, can’t take him off the ballot but he won’t be the GE candidate & if he wins he won’t get the Labour whip Back when the media could cover local byelections this would be all over the TV and radio. Paul Waugh might yet be the MP for Rochdale! |
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Post by mattbewilson on Feb 11, 2024 15:37:38 GMT
how come you not in the red room? I’m serving tea 😀 😂 |
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Post by nyx on Feb 11, 2024 15:41:38 GMT
I’m currently at a Labour conference, news here is that he has been sacked as Labour Candidate, can’t take him off the ballot but he won’t be the GE candidate & if he wins he won’t get the Labour whip If this is true, it looks a bit embarrassing for Lisa Nandy. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Feb 11, 2024 19:26:48 GMT
"If true" is a hell of a qualifier in this case.
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Post by mattbewilson on Feb 11, 2024 19:46:12 GMT
Is this LGA conference?
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Post by redvers on Feb 11, 2024 20:08:23 GMT
I think we all know what's at stake. Azhar Ali is an appalling candidate. It's just as appalling that nobody in that meeting thought to report what he said. This boils my blood.
But electing Galloway will do more damage to British politics. In the long-run, his victory will prove that his kind of rhetoric can work, which will have lasting consequences beyond the eventual and joyful day when Galloway at last departs the political scene for good.
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Post by mattbewilson on Feb 11, 2024 20:28:10 GMT
I think we all know what's at stake. Azhar Ali is an appalling candidate. It's just as appalling that nobody in that meeting thought to report what he said. This boils my blood. But electing Galloway will do more damage to British politics. In the long-run, his victory will prove that his kind of rhetoric can work, which will have lasting consequences beyond the eventual and joyful day when Galloway at last departs the political scene for good. this is problem in politics. Revealing stories are only of interest when it makes headlines |
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Post by r34t on Feb 11, 2024 20:41:05 GMT
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Post by graham on Feb 11, 2024 20:56:28 GMT
Is there not a case for arguing that Ali's comments were Anti-Netanyahu rather than Anitsemitic or even Anti-Israel? Given how Netanyahu's government has acted, there is likely to be a great deal more sympathy for the views expressed than would have been the case three months ago.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Feb 11, 2024 21:20:23 GMT
I think we all know what's at stake. Azhar Ali is an appalling candidate. It's just as appalling that nobody in that meeting thought to report what he said. This boils my blood. But electing Galloway will do more damage to British politics. In the long-run, his victory will prove that his kind of rhetoric can work, which will have lasting consequences beyond the eventual and joyful day when Galloway at last departs the political scene for good. I am distinctly not impressed by the "our antisemite is not as bad as the other antisemite" argument, especially given the bad faith attacks on Rishi Sunak over the trans comment. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Feb 11, 2024 21:42:56 GMT
It’s so daft that everyone will pretend a 50 year old Pakistani Muslim living in Rochdale having antisemitic views is shocking. It would be more surprsing to find a Pakistani Muslim living in Rochdale that was not antisemitic. |
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Post by Merseymike on Feb 11, 2024 21:44:51 GMT
Certainly anti-Israel - and pro-Palestinian.
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Post by uthacalthing on Feb 11, 2024 21:49:16 GMT
Is there not a case for arguing that Ali's comments were Anti-Netanyahu rather than Anitsemitic or even Anti-Israel? Given how Netanyahu's government has acted, there is likely to be a great deal more sympathy for the views expressed than would have been the case three months ago. You might chosoe to argue that. I can recall a Tory MP who was accused of asking a company who was to appear at a select committe for dolly questions they would like asked. The evidence was a written statement that "he wants to know what good work we do". The defence to this accusation was that the author intended to convey that " he is in want of knowing what good work we do" Look, Ali is an Antisemitic Pakistani from Rochdale. Accept it and move on |
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Post by mattbewilson on Feb 11, 2024 22:00:15 GMT
I think we all know what's at stake. Azhar Ali is an appalling candidate. It's just as appalling that nobody in that meeting thought to report what he said. This boils my blood. But electing Galloway will do more damage to British politics. In the long-run, his victory will prove that his kind of rhetoric can work, which will have lasting consequences beyond the eventual and joyful day when Galloway at last departs the political scene for good. I am distinctly not impressed by the "our antisemite is not as bad as the other antisemite" argument, especially given the bad faith attacks on Rishi Sunak over the trans comment. i sympathise with your view and there are obviously members who do to. B said himself that if it were possible both lose that would be his preferred outcome. I'm not Jewish and certainly don't understand anti semitism as well as I should. However, I note that the board of deputies have said they do understand that due to timing it is now impossible for anyone else to be Labour's candidate and JLC have also not gone as far to ask labour to disown their candidate. Mike Katz has said something similar to Bish and others. Though I understand he's said JLM will not visit Rochdale. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Feb 11, 2024 22:12:45 GMT
I am not Jewish. I have no Jewish friends. I find antisemitism useful because it tells me who I dislike.
Antisemitism remains a problem for Labour. You can't be the party of British Muslims and not have a large chunk of antisemites. It will be an ongoing sore for as long as Labour tries to ride both horses.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2024 22:26:57 GMT
I think we all know what's at stake. Azhar Ali is an appalling candidate. It's just as appalling that nobody in that meeting thought to report what he said. This boils my blood. But electing Galloway will do more damage to British politics. In the long-run, his victory will prove that his kind of rhetoric can work, which will have lasting consequences beyond the eventual and joyful day when Galloway at last departs the political scene for good. I am distinctly not impressed by the "our antisemite is not as bad as the other antisemite" argument, especially given the bad faith attacks on Rishi Sunak over the trans comment. "We can call out your dodgy comment but it's bad faith if you call out ours" |
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Post by uthacalthing on Feb 11, 2024 22:29:30 GMT
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