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Post by r34t on Jan 6, 2024 14:07:41 GMT
If he wants it, I would suggest that the sensible thing would be to select Dan Norris, as he is very well known and, if elected, he would then be the sitting MP for a massive chunk of the new North East Somerset and Hanham constituency, thus making Jacob Rees-Mogg's position even more dicey. There is nothing to stop a sensible Labour NEC waiving the rule on executive Mayors sitting in the HoC for what would be a short time. 2 years as Metro Mayor has not done anything for Dan's reputation ..... or baggage ..... |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jan 6, 2024 14:38:14 GMT
If he wants it, I would suggest that the sensible thing would be to select Dan Norris, as he is very well known and, if elected, he would then be the sitting MP for a massive chunk of the new North East Somerset and Hanham constituency, thus making Jacob Rees-Mogg's position even more dicey. There is nothing to stop a sensible Labour NEC waiving the rule on executive Mayors sitting in the HoC for what would be a short time. What was the Labour policy when Dan Jarvis was Mayor of South Yorkshire; did they have a rule and waive it then? I thought the (general, not Labour specific) rule was that Mayors who also have the PCC powers couldn't be MPs, which is why Andy Burnham can't be an MP and why Tracy Brabin had to resign from Batley & Spen, but the West of England Mayor doesn't have PCC powers (and can't, as the police area is different). The rule to forbid a Labour member from holding two elected posts was only passed three days before the expected selection of Dan Jarvis as Labour's candidate and was a blatantly factional move to force him out of parliament. As Davıd Boothroyd says, it was an unsalaried post and, only after a lot of pressure due to the obviously ridiculous situation of trying to force someone to lose their salary, did Jeremy Corbyn and the NEC back down. |
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Post by manchesterman on Jan 6, 2024 14:49:40 GMT
So, is there anyone who can conceive of any way this by-election isnt anything other than a comfortable Labour win?
No doubt, someone will be putting up a prediction thread for this seat and Wellingborough idc ..
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Post by mattbewilson on Jan 6, 2024 15:01:14 GMT
What was the Labour policy when Dan Jarvis was Mayor of South Yorkshire; did they have a rule and waive it then? I thought the (general, not Labour specific) rule was that Mayors who also have the PCC powers couldn't be MPs, which is why Andy Burnham can't be an MP and why Tracy Brabin had to resign from Batley & Spen, but the West of England Mayor doesn't have PCC powers (and can't, as the police area is different). The rule to forbid a Labour member from holding two elected posts was only passed three days before the expected selection of Dan Jarvis as Labour's candidate and was a blatantly factional move to force him out of parliament. As Davıd Boothroyd says, it was an unsalaried post and, only after a lot of pressure due to the obviously ridiculous situation of trying to force someone to lose their salary, did Jeremy Corbyn and the NEC back down. on reflection Dan should have never done both roles. An excellent MP and genuinely the nicest guy in parliament. Really disappointing tenure as mayor though. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 6, 2024 15:56:17 GMT
Assuming that Skidmore does actually resign his seat at the earliest practicable time, could this byelection yet be held on the same day as Wellingborough?
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Post by YL on Jan 6, 2024 16:24:40 GMT
Assuming that Skidmore does actually resign his seat at the earliest practicable time, could this byelection yet be held on the same day as Wellingborough? I don't see why not, as the writ hasn't been moved for Wellingborough yet and a Chiltern Hundreds appointment doesn't take very long (unless it's for the current incumbent  ). E.g. for Thursday 15 February the last date the writ could be issued is Wednesday 17 January, though I suspect that if that's the intended date the writ will be moved a few days before that. |
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Post by batman on Jan 6, 2024 16:58:51 GMT
Assuming that Skidmore does actually resign his seat at the earliest practicable time, could this byelection yet be held on the same day as Wellingborough? yes |
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Post by andrewp on Jan 6, 2024 18:13:30 GMT
Reform UK will not stand in this one.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jan 6, 2024 18:48:31 GMT
Reform UK will not stand in this one. Hunch? Or fact? |
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Post by andrewp on Jan 6, 2024 18:52:04 GMT
Reform UK will not stand in this one. Hunch? Or fact? Fact. On their X account ‘Tory scandal: MP Chris Skidmore resigns over Net Zero virtue signalling & triggers by-election in a seat being abolished in GE. Waste of circa £250,000 local taxpayers cash! Has he a cosy well paid eco job to go to? He should repay the cost. Reform UK will not stand a candidate on principle against this disgraceful abuse.’ |
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Post by iainbhx on Jan 6, 2024 18:56:21 GMT
Fact. On their X account ‘Tory scandal: MP Chris Skidmore resigns over Net Zero virtue signalling & triggers by-election in a seat being abolished in GE. Waste of circa £250,000 local taxpayers cash! Has he a cosy well paid eco job to go to? He should repay the cost. Reform UK will not stand a candidate on principle against this disgraceful abuse.’ Frit. This will happen at the general as well. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 6, 2024 19:04:39 GMT
A surprising move when one of the centrepieces of the Tice news conference was to insist they would not be withdrawing any general election candidates. At the very least this gives off mixed messages.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jan 6, 2024 19:19:55 GMT
Fact. On their X account ‘Tory scandal: MP Chris Skidmore resigns over Net Zero virtue signalling & triggers by-election in a seat being abolished in GE. Waste of circa £250,000 local taxpayers cash! Has he a cosy well paid eco job to go to? He should repay the cost. Reform UK will not stand a candidate on principle against this disgraceful abuse.’ As the saying goes, "All mouth, no trousers" |
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Post by batman on Jan 6, 2024 19:39:31 GMT
It would be like Labour, the Lib Dems, the Greens & the SNP etc. etc. saying "we dislike the Tories so much that we won't stand against them in the general election on principle" really. I don't think the Tories should get too smug about this though, this helps them only fractionally if really at all
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Post by therealriga on Jan 6, 2024 19:49:33 GMT
It would be like Labour, the Lib Dems, the Greens & the SNP etc. etc. saying "we dislike the Tories so much that we won't stand against them in the general election on principle" really. I don't think the Tories should get too smug about this though, this helps them only fractionally if really at all More an "ask the forum" thing. Has there been any research on who Reform voters would otherwise vote for? |
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Post by bjornhattan on Jan 6, 2024 20:02:29 GMT
Fact. On their X account ‘Tory scandal: MP Chris Skidmore resigns over Net Zero virtue signalling & triggers by-election in a seat being abolished in GE. Waste of circa £250,000 local taxpayers cash! Has he a cosy well paid eco job to go to? He should repay the cost. Reform UK will not stand a candidate on principle against this disgraceful abuse.’ You would think they'd relish the chance to give voters an option to "reject" these green ideas at the ballot box. It's not as if Kingswood is Bristol West - the Green Party have never held their deposit there so it's hardly some environmentalist stronghold, and areas like Soundwell look like reasonable Reform territory on paper. So I think it's a slightly odd decision unless there's more to this than meets the eye. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jan 6, 2024 20:15:40 GMT
Fact. On their X account ‘Tory scandal: MP Chris Skidmore resigns over Net Zero virtue signalling & triggers by-election in a seat being abolished in GE. Waste of circa £250,000 local taxpayers cash! Has he a cosy well paid eco job to go to? He should repay the cost. Reform UK will not stand a candidate on principle against this disgraceful abuse.’ You would think they'd relish the chance to give voters an option to "reject" these green ideas at the ballot box. It's not as if Kingswood is Bristol West - the Green Party have never held their deposit there so it's hardly some environmentalist stronghold, and areas like Soundwell look like reasonable Reform territory on paper. So I think it's a slightly odd decision unless there's more to this than meets the eye. There must be something we're not being told. They're bound to keep their deposit. I'm getting Haltemprice and Howden vibes. |
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Post by nyx on Jan 6, 2024 20:35:12 GMT
Fact. On their X account ‘Tory scandal: MP Chris Skidmore resigns over Net Zero virtue signalling & triggers by-election in a seat being abolished in GE. Waste of circa £250,000 local taxpayers cash! Has he a cosy well paid eco job to go to? He should repay the cost. Reform UK will not stand a candidate on principle against this disgraceful abuse.’ You would think they'd relish the chance to give voters an option to "reject" these green ideas at the ballot box. It's not as if Kingswood is Bristol West - the Green Party have never held their deposit there so it's hardly some environmentalist stronghold, and areas like Soundwell look like reasonable Reform territory on paper. So I think it's a slightly odd decision unless there's more to this than meets the eye. My assumption would be that they don't want any distraction from Wellingborough which is their best shot in a by-election for a while, and "Reform has strong showing in the Wellingborough by-election" is a better news headline than "Reform has a strong showing in the Wellingborough by-election whilst losing their deposit in the simultaneous by-election in Kingswood". I suspect they at least believe that they have a shot of winning in Wellingborough and getting an MP. |
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Post by batman on Jan 6, 2024 20:40:49 GMT
they may believe that, but it's a bollocks belief.
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Post by John Chanin on Jan 6, 2024 20:50:40 GMT
they may believe that, but it's a bollocks belief. It's logical. As my profile says Wellingborough is a very working class constituency, with a longstanding preference for the Conservatives, and a high Brexit vote. It's pretty much an ideal target for Reform. Of course they have no chance of winning, but they should comfortably save their deposit, and get some useful publicity and momentum for the following General Election. |
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). E.g. for Thursday 15 February the last date the writ could be issued is Wednesday 17 January, though I suspect that if that's the intended date the writ will be moved a few days before that.
