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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Jan 19, 2024 10:53:27 GMT
Oh what rubbish. It's perfectly usual for people to talk differently when they are in different communities. That doesn't just include vocabulary, but also accent. It's not just non-white people who engage in code-switching. This is a total non-story.
My sister lived in Redditch and greeted us once, in a broad west midlands accent,  , before switching back to what we normally get from her. |
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Post by johnloony on Jan 19, 2024 11:34:24 GMT
Oh what rubbish. It's perfectly usual for people to talk differently when they are in different communities. That doesn't just include vocabulary, but also accent. It's not just non-white people who engage in code-switching. This is a total non-story. I am rather surprised to see you post that. I would always be very wary of someone who changed flags for different audiences as to me it smacks of insincerity, being inauthentic and having insecurity of character. One should surely always look and sound exactly the same in an anglophone situation? In my various circles I have encountered very few people who did and never trusted any of them. If you are so determined to fit in and to please there is something wrong somewhere. Judging by most of the responses in this thread to the issue, you must think that most people are wrong and untrustworthy - but that is your usual position anyway. : ) |
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 19, 2024 13:58:01 GMT
I am rather surprised to see you post that. I would always be very wary of someone who changed flags for different audiences as to me it smacks of insincerity, being inauthentic and having insecurity of character. One should surely always look and sound exactly the same in an anglophone situation? In my various circles I have encountered very few people who did and never trusted any of them. If you are so determined to fit in and to please there is something wrong somewhere. Judging by most of the responses in this thread to the issue, you must think that most people are wrong and untrustworthy - but that is your usual position anyway. : ) I understand why you say that and why you will garner likes from the usual suspects. This is not a matter of concern to me but I do genuinely think that the reasons must be caused by a degree of of inner insecurity and a difficulty in being seen for what one is by nature and nurture. I fail to understand the need to pretend to be what one no longer is, never was nor never will be. Just be who you are all of the time. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 19, 2024 14:03:08 GMT
People contain multitudes. Who they are in a work context is not who they are in a family context, and if it was identical it would be worse on both counts.
Additionally, insofar as this kind of code-switching is about reacting to your audience's expectations, I think you can just as easily explain it by empathy as by insecurity.
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 19, 2024 14:27:19 GMT
People contain multitudes. Who they are in a work context is not who they are in a family context, and if it was identical it would be worse on both counts. Additionally, insofar as this kind of code-switching is about reacting to your audience's expectations, I think you can just as easily explain it by empathy as by insecurity. I do seem to be in my fairly frequent small minority here and I of course wonder why? Could it be growing up in a family situation with very few roots since the effects of WW1? My oft-repeated 'Never lived within a hundred miles of any relative (parents excepted when young)' and where virtually all spoke with RP accents? Could that be the complete reason? |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 19, 2024 14:50:35 GMT
I think some people code-switch more easily than others. It's certainly not something I find easy - I struggle with accents at the best of times and going from one to another isn't something I'd be able to manage.
There's probably also something in terms of how important you think it is to be agreeable, which I believe (although I may be wrong about this) is something that is supposed to be correlated with how authoritarian somebody's politics tend to be.
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Post by bjornhattan on Jan 19, 2024 15:21:43 GMT
I think some people code-switch more easily than others. It's certainly not something I find easy - I struggle with accents at the best of times and going from one to another isn't something I'd be able to manage. There's probably also something in terms of how important you think it is to be agreeable, which I believe (although I may be wrong about this) is something that is supposed to be correlated with how authoritarian somebody's politics tend to be. In fairness, this sort of code-switching is often subconscious more than anything. Generally speaking I find people often struggle to even notice it in themselves and have to have it pointed out by someone else! Personally, I've certainly never really conciously tried to make my accent fit in. Despite being born and raised in Gateshead, and having no particularly strong ties to anywhere else, my "natural" accent is only very superficially Tyneside and tends to be read as North Yorkshire (but has been perceived as local just about everywhere in the north). I don't feel any particular need to confect a more Geordie sounding voice. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 19, 2024 16:32:01 GMT
I think the Bristol accent is particularly infectious. I had friends in that area (Nailsea) and whenever I'd spent a weekend there I'd come back speaking with a bit of their accent - not as affectation or deliberate mimicking , it just happened subconsciously for a short while (but in a way that didn't if I spent some time in eg Manchester). And obviously in this case the bloke is from that area in the first place
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Post by london(ex)tory on Jan 19, 2024 17:12:49 GMT
Any sign of a SOPN yet?
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 19, 2024 17:20:59 GMT
I think some people code-switch more easily than others. It's certainly not something I find easy - I struggle with accents at the best of times and going from one to another isn't something I'd be able to manage. There's probably also something in terms of how important you think it is to be agreeable, which I believe (although I may be wrong about this) is something that is supposed to be correlated with how authoritarian somebody's politics tend to be. In fairness, this sort of code-switching is often subconscious more than anything. Generally speaking I find people often struggle to even notice it in themselves and have to have it pointed out by someone else! Personally, I've certainly never really conciously tried to make my accent fit in. Despite being born and raised in Gateshead, and having no particularly strong ties to anywhere else, my "natural" accent is only very superficially Tyneside and tends to be read as North Yorkshire (but has been perceived as local just about everywhere in the north). I don't feel any particular need to confect a more Geordie sounding voice. Yes, I agree the intent is subconscious, but your ability to make those changes to how you speak is going to vary from person to person and if you're a better mimic then you're going to code-shift more competently. |
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Post by london(ex)tory on Jan 19, 2024 17:30:29 GMT
Link on the council website currently goes to "page not found". FFS. |
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Post by YL on Jan 19, 2024 17:40:53 GMT
Link on the council website currently goes to "page not found". FFS. Just six candidates: Sam Bromiley (Con) Andrew Brown (Lib Dem) Damien Egan (Lab) Lorraine Francis (Green) Rupert Lowe (Reform UK) Nicholas Wood (UKIP) |
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Post by greenhert on Jan 19, 2024 17:49:36 GMT
Link on the council website currently goes to "page not found". FFS. Just six candidates: Sam Bromiley (Con) Andrew Brown (Lib Dem) Damien Egan (Lab) Lorraine Francis (Green) Rupert Lowe (Reform UK) Nicholas Wood (UKIP) Only the Conservative candidate has an address registered in Kingswood-not that this will help him. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jan 19, 2024 18:10:29 GMT
Just six!
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Post by london(ex)tory on Jan 19, 2024 18:11:22 GMT
Link on the council website currently goes to "page not found". FFS. Just six candidates: Sam Bromiley (Con) Andrew Brown (Lib Dem) Damien Egan (Lab) Lorraine Francis (Green) Rupert Lowe (Reform UK) Nicholas Wood (UKIP) Thank you ☺️ |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jan 19, 2024 18:16:59 GMT
Link on the council website currently goes to "page not found". FFS. Just six candidates: Sam Bromiley (Con) Andrew Brown (Lib Dem) Damien Egan (Lab) Lorraine Francis (Green) Rupert Lowe (Reform UK) Nicholas Wood (UKIP) "UKIP - People not Politics" was registered on 19/01/2023 as a ballot paper description. |
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Post by nyx on Jan 19, 2024 20:05:08 GMT
Link on the council website currently goes to "page not found". FFS. Just six candidates: Sam Bromiley (Con) Andrew Brown (Lib Dem) Damien Egan (Lab) Lorraine Francis (Green) Rupert Lowe (Reform UK) Nicholas Wood (UKIP) I suspect there's a very good chance that Wood ends up being the only candidate to lose their deposit. |
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Post by john07 on Jan 28, 2024 0:04:05 GMT
Oh what rubbish. It's perfectly usual for people to talk differently when they are in different communities. That doesn't just include vocabulary, but also accent. It's not just non-white people who engage in code-switching. This is a total non-story. My son-in-law is a good example. He was brought up in Ponteland. His father is a surgeon originally from Cumbria. Nick went to private schools where I suspect speaking in a Geordie accent would be a disciplinary offence. He went to St Andrews and Aberdeen Universities. Nick would never dare to speak with an accent at home but when he is out at the pub with his mates he gets more Geordie with every drink. |
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Post by cogload on Feb 2, 2024 12:10:33 GMT
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Post by greatkingrat on Feb 2, 2024 12:30:59 GMT
This worked for meJust six candidates: Sam Bromiley (Con) Andrew Brown (Lib Dem) Damien Egan (Lab) Lorraine Francis (Green) Rupert Lowe (Reform UK) Nicholas Wood (UKIP) I suspect there's a very good chance that Wood ends up being the only candidate to lose their deposit. I don't see the Lib Dems holding their deposit, they only got 6.9% last time and their vote usually falls significantly in by-elections where they don't have a chance of winning. |
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, before switching back to what we normally get from her.
