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Post by ricmk on Jan 17, 2024 9:50:56 GMT
LOL. Richard Tice did that big video about how they wouldn't take part in this affront to democracy, and a week later they have a candidate. How weak does he look?
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Post by batman on Jan 17, 2024 10:06:14 GMT
If they can change their minds about that that quickly, then it can't be ruled out that they do after all stand down in favour of at least some Conservative candidates in the end. Though their hostility to the Tories is plain to see at present
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jan 17, 2024 10:16:24 GMT
If they can change their minds about that that quickly, then it can't be ruled out that they do after all stand down in favour of at least some Conservative candidates in the end. Though their hostility to the Tories is plain to see at present UKIP complained about the EU but ensured they pocketed handsome salaries from being MEPs Brexit Party complained about the Tories but then helped them out at the 2019 election Reform takes strident stances.....until they don't. |
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Post by stb12 on Jan 17, 2024 10:30:32 GMT
If they can change their minds about that that quickly, then it can't be ruled out that they do after all stand down in favour of at least some Conservative candidates in the end. Though their hostility to the Tories is plain to see at present The Brexit Party standing down in Tory seats last time did have some clear logic as they didn’t want to be blamed for splitting the vote and therefore preventing Brexit going through There isn’t really a clear one issue situation like that this time |
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Post by catfest on Jan 17, 2024 12:03:49 GMT
Kingswood final date for Nominations = 19 Jan ( council dates page :- link ) Yet for Wellingborough Noms close = 23 Jan (council dates page :- link ) What gives? or have I missed something. Both by-elections are 15 Feb. The Kingswood nomination window is 2 days, Wellingborough window is 6 days. Edit: Got the close date for Kingswood corrected! (Thanks to Tony Otim). |
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Post by YL on Jan 17, 2024 12:08:52 GMT
Kingswood final date for Nominations = 19 Feb ( council dates page :- link ) Yet for Wellingborough Noms close = 23 Jan (council dates page :- link ) What gives? or have I missed something. Both by-elections are 15 Feb. The Kingswood nomination window is 2 days, Wellingborough window is 6 days. The simple answer is that there is some flexibility in how the timetable is set, even for by-elections where the writ is issued on the same day and polling day is the same, and North Northamptonshire and South Gloucestershire made different decisions. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jan 17, 2024 13:10:37 GMT
I thought the deadlines had been standardised.
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Post by Tony Otim on Jan 17, 2024 13:19:26 GMT
Kingswood final date for Nominations = 19 Feb ( council dates page :- link ) Yet for Wellingborough Noms close = 23 Jan (council dates page :- link ) What gives? or have I missed something. Both by-elections are 15 Feb. The Kingswood nomination window is 2 days, Wellingborough window is 6 days. Although having the close of nominations 4 days after the election would certainly be interesting... |
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Post by catfest on Jan 17, 2024 13:28:26 GMT
Thanks Tony Otim. Now corrected.
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 17, 2024 14:01:46 GMT
Presumably this is the former Southampton FC chairman? So not just Reform standing a candidate, but a fairly high profile one.
And re the above comments, I wonder if the "u-turn" is at least partly in reaction to talk the original decision not to fight this byelection meant a deal with the Tories at the next GE might still be on - and this is intended as a signal that no, its not.
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Post by mattbewilson on Jan 17, 2024 14:15:11 GMT
If they can change their minds about that that quickly, then it can't be ruled out that they do after all stand down in favour of at least some Conservative candidates in the end. Though their hostility to the Tories is plain to see at present The Brexit Party standing down in Tory seats last time did have some clear logic as they didn’t want to be blamed for splitting the vote and therefore preventing Brexit going through There isn’t really a clear one issue situation like that this time i think a big problem for the brexit party was it was shedding candidates up and down the country who were withdrawing their candidacy. The decision to withdraw from Tory only seats was a way to save face |
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Post by manchesterman on Jan 17, 2024 14:41:18 GMT
Yes of course, becuase "buying shares" was illegal before dear old Maggie!  Not sure how my having shares in various private companies was allowed back then! Maybe I got them illegally?!  |
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Post by manchesterman on Jan 17, 2024 14:47:43 GMT
If they can change their minds about that that quickly, then it can't be ruled out that they do after all stand down in favour of at least some Conservative candidates in the end. Though their hostility to the Tories is plain to see at present The Brexit Party standing down in Tory seats last time did have some clear logic as they didn’t want to be blamed for splitting the vote and therefore preventing Brexit going through There isn’t really a clear one issue situation like that this time I could see a scenario where they feel its in the best interests of the "hard right/populist right" (or however they wish to define themselves) for them to stand down candidates in selected seats where the Tory candidate is perceived of having similar "values" to themselves ..for example, 30p Lee, JRM [in fact anyone associated with GBeebies] , Braverman, Francois et al; but I expect they will still stand in the majority of constituencies. |
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Post by stb12 on Jan 17, 2024 15:02:11 GMT
The Brexit Party standing down in Tory seats last time did have some clear logic as they didn’t want to be blamed for splitting the vote and therefore preventing Brexit going through There isn’t really a clear one issue situation like that this time I could see a scenario where they feel its in the best interests of the "hard right/populist right" (or however they wish to define themselves) for them to stand down candidates in selected seats where the Tory candidate is perceived of having similar "values" to themselves ..for example, 30p Lee, JRM [in fact anyone associated with GBeebies] , Braverman, Francois et al; but I expect they will still stand in the majority of constituencies. Braverman and Francois are in two of the safest Tory seats in the country, I think I’m correct in saying the newly formed seat Braverman is standing in is even safer than her present one. So even under these difficult circumstances they won’t be losing and standing aside for them would be nothing more than a gesture Obviously Anderson is a marginal and Rees-Mogg is at some risk depending how big the landslide is |
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Post by YL on Jan 17, 2024 15:21:09 GMT
I thought the deadlines had been standardised. Not for parliamentary by-elections, no. The details are in this Commons library paper but for a 25 day timetable (as in both these by-elections) the returning officer can choose to have the close of nominations any of 6 (as in Kingswood), 7 or 8 (as in Wellingborough) working days after the issue of the writ. Some of the flexibility is to allow by-elections to always be on Thursdays but there is clearly more flexibility needed than for that, as shown by this case. |
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Post by manchesterman on Jan 17, 2024 15:36:46 GMT
I could see a scenario where they feel its in the best interests of the "hard right/populist right" (or however they wish to define themselves) for them to stand down candidates in selected seats where the Tory candidate is perceived of having similar "values" to themselves ..for example, 30p Lee, JRM [in fact anyone associated with GBeebies] , Braverman, Francois et al; but I expect they will still stand in the majority of constituencies. Braverman and Francois are in two of the safest Tory seats in the country, I think I’m correct in saying the newly formed seat Braverman is standing in is even safer than her present one. So even under these difficult circumstances they won’t be losing and standing aside for them would be nothing more than a gesture Obviously Anderson is a marginal and Rees-Mogg is at some risk depending how big the landslide is Their whole ethos is pretty much performative, so why not stand down anyway  |
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Post by woollyliberal on Jan 17, 2024 22:23:32 GMT
LOL. Richard Tice did that big video about how they wouldn't take part in this affront to democracy, and a week later they have a candidate. How weak does he look? Not weak, untrustable. |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Jan 18, 2024 7:23:45 GMT
LOL. Richard Tice did that big video about how they wouldn't take part in this affront to democracy, and a week later they have a candidate. How weak does he look? Not weak, untrustable.
Oh no, he's modelled himself on the other party leaders, Shock Horror.  |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jan 18, 2024 10:49:54 GMT
LOL. Richard Tice did that big video about how they wouldn't take part in this affront to democracy, and a week later they have a candidate. How weak does he look? Not weak, untrustable. "Untrustable" - what a lovely word, which I don't think is technically correct but so much more descriptive than 'untrustworthy'. |
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Post by woollyliberal on Jan 18, 2024 11:21:01 GMT
"Untrustable" - what a lovely word, which I don't think is technically correct but so much more descriptive than 'untrustworthy'. I hovered over untrustworthy for a moment, but it didn't quite say what I meant. |
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Not sure how my having shares in various private companies was allowed back then! Maybe I got them illegally?! 
