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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Dec 27, 2023 15:01:18 GMT
Rural Russians, why do you support Putin if you live poorly?
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Dec 27, 2023 17:11:49 GMT
So far the candidates for Putin's electoral type event in March are: Putin - All Russia People's Front. Nikolai Kharitonov - Communist Leonid Slutsky - LDPR Boris Nadezhdin - Civic Initiative (anti-war candidate) Yekaterina Duntsova - Independent (anti-war candidate)Igor Girkin has expressed interest, but is in jail presently. Looks like we can cross Duntsova off the list. Dontsova did ask Yabloko to nominate her but they were rather blunt in rejecting her request. Nomination papers have not yet been filed for Girkin an today is the deadline for Independent candidates. However we do have several more candidates who have handed in nomination papers. On top of Putin, Nadezhdin, Kharitonov and Slutsky (listed above) we also have Sergey Baburin - Russian All-People's Union Andrey Bogdanov - Russian Party of Freedom and Justice Vladislav Davankov - New People Vladimir Mikhailov - Party of Social Protection Rada Russkikh - Independent Aleksandra Tishchenko - Independent Davankpv, Kharitonov and Sultsky do not need to collect signatures as they have been nominated by parties represented in the Duma. Those nominated by other parties require 100,000 signatures while Independents require 300,000 signatures. |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Dec 28, 2023 13:55:57 GMT
Two more Independent candidates filed just before yesterday's deadline and a further party candidate filed today (1st Jan is the deadline for party candidates). Girkin's supporters did not file an application as apparently they were not able to get access to him and thus he could not sign the paperwork as required.
Anatoly Batashov - Independent
Ivan Otrakovsky - Independent
Irina Sviridova - Democratic Party of Russia
Vladimir Mikhailov nominated by the Party of Social Protection (listed in my post yesterday) has had his nomination rejected by the CEC on the grounds that the party congress that nominated him was illegitimate. The Russian Supreme Court has also upheld the decision to reject Dontsova's nomination. The CEC now has five days to either accept or reject the nominations of the remaining Independent candidates, Putin's nomination has already been accepted.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Dec 29, 2023 12:36:38 GMT
The CEC have rejected the nominations of Tishchenko and Otrakovsky but have accepted the nominations of all other candidates, both party and independent.
So that leaves us with three candidates from "major" parties who should now be on the ballot
Vladislav Davankov - New People
Nikolay Kharitonov - Communist Party of the Russian Federation
Leonid Slutsky - Liberal Democratic Party of Russia
Four candidates from minor parties who must get 100,000 signatures to appear on the ballot
Sergey Baburin - Russian All-People's Union
Andrey Bogdanov - Russian Party of Freedom and Justice
Boris Nadezhdin - Civic Initiative
Irina Sviridova - Democratic Party of Russia
Three Independents candidates who must get 300,000 signatures to appear on the ballot
Anatoly Batashov
Vladimir Putin
Rada Russkikh
The deadline for presenting signatures is 31st January and will pose a significant challenge for all but the most well organised candidates. A maximum of 7,500 for Independents, or 2,500 for minor party candidates, can be collected in any federal subject. This obviously means that candidates need signatures from at least 40 federal subjects and not just in token quantities. Also candidates cannot submit an excessive number of additional signatures to guard against invalid signatures. They may only submit 5% more than the required number.
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Post by manchesterman on Dec 30, 2023 12:17:03 GMT
Rural Russians, why do you support Putin if you live poorly?
This is a powerful video and shows the catastrophic effects of being fed propaganda relentlessly day after day after day.
Also, how easy it would be to replace: Rural Russians, why do you support Putin if you live poorly? with Rural Americans, why do you support Trump if you live poorly?
..there are many parallels.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Dec 30, 2023 13:12:26 GMT
Rural Russians, why do you support Putin if you live poorly?
This is a powerful video and shows the catastrophic effects of being fed propaganda relentlessly day after day after day.
Also, how easy it would be to replace: Rural Russians, why do you support Putin if you live poorly? with Rural Americans, why do you support Trump if you live poorly?
..there are many parallels.
The parallels are you own arrogance, your own ignorance and your condescending and misplaced sense of superiority. Life in both small town America and rural Russia is utterly alien to you and operates on an entirely different set of values. You decry others as being victims of propaganda while you yourself frequently get taken in by the most laughable nonsense. |
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Post by manchesterman on Dec 30, 2023 13:18:59 GMT
Sort of what I expected from our Putin propagandist tbf
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Dec 30, 2023 13:54:08 GMT
Rural Russians, why do you support Putin if you live poorly?
This is a powerful video and shows the catastrophic effects of being fed propaganda relentlessly day after day after day.
Also, how easy it would be to replace: Rural Russians, why do you support Putin if you live poorly? with Rural Americans, why do you support Trump if you live poorly?
..there are many parallels.
The are Brexit parallels. Figures from the Elite learn the language of the poorest and get away with fleecing them. |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Dec 30, 2023 14:27:56 GMT
Sort of what I expected from our Putin propagandist tbf How typical of you to once again demonstrate your profound stupidity and totally miss the point |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Dec 30, 2023 14:39:17 GMT
This is a powerful video and shows the catastrophic effects of being fed propaganda relentlessly day after day after day.
Also, how easy it would be to replace: Rural Russians, why do you support Putin if you live poorly? with Rural Americans, why do you support Trump if you live poorly?
..there are many parallels.
The are Brexit parallels. Figures from the Elite learn the language of the poorest and get away with fleecing them.
Unique to Russia, no. Russians just tend to be more up front about it. It's also been the British elite's way for hundreds of years, bribe the poorest a little money or words whilst squirelling away millions, definately not a Brexit specific thing. The American elite has also always done the same. The current Republicans and Democrats parties, working on behalf of the elite, are just doing it more overtly now than they have for decades. Nothing really new in any of it, in any country.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Dec 30, 2023 14:41:30 GMT
This is a powerful video and shows the catastrophic effects of being fed propaganda relentlessly day after day after day.
Also, how easy it would be to replace: Rural Russians, why do you support Putin if you live poorly? with Rural Americans, why do you support Trump if you live poorly?
..there are many parallels.
The are Brexit parallels. Figures from the Elite learn the language of the poorest and get away with fleecing them. No there aren't. Trump, Putin, and Brexit are three separate phenomenon deeply intertwined with our nations' unique histories, values and cultural norms. I'm getting quite tired of this centrist babble. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Dec 30, 2023 14:58:41 GMT
The are Brexit parallels. Figures from the Elite learn the language of the poorest and get away with fleecing them.
Unique to Russia, no. Russians just tend to be more up front about it. It's also been the British elite's way for hundreds of years, bribe the poorest a little money or words whilst squirelling away millions, definately not a Brexit specific thing. The American elite has also always done the same. The current Republicans and Democrats parties, working on behalf of the elite, are just doing it more overtly now than they have for decades. Nothing really new in any of it, in any country.
The greedy beat the needy, true. |
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Post by pericles on Dec 30, 2023 15:49:26 GMT
Rural Russians, why do you support Putin if you live poorly?
I like that Vadim P guy, wonder what his story is. Some of the responses felt more scripted than others, but most did feel genuine sadly (lol at the guy who said they're destroying hundreds of American vehicles, what a weak boast). An interesting point is that Russia's history of authoritarianism means that people associate patriotism with being uncritical of the President. It makes us feel a lot more grateful for the democratic debate we have where most people get that we can disagree about how to improve our countries. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Dec 31, 2023 0:12:38 GMT
Sort of what I expected from our Putin propagandist tbf I am a rather fierce opponent of Putin and his activities, but I think your description of eastmidlandsright is both inaccurate and without nuance. The man is genuinely popular, because of what went before. Which the West had a hand in - not as some sort of conspiracy, but as an enabler and beneficiary. That he chose to take the Macron route of creating Potemkin parties is curious, as there is no credible vehicle for defeating him even in an entirely fair fight. |
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Post by manchesterman on Dec 31, 2023 0:45:10 GMT
If EMR considers the term propagandist to be a slur, then I am happy to withdraw it and apologise for any offense caused. Unlike some posters on here, I dont do ad hominem attacks. In fact, I regard them as an admission that they cant come up with a counter argument and so they play the man, not the ball.
I very much value Devil's opinion on many issues and therefore I'm happy to reflect on my choice of words and equally happy to amend to 'Putin supporter' (which I think is surely uncontroversial based on posts in the Ukraine thread?) if EMR so desires?
In response to EMRs response to my post, I would like to politely point out that accusing me of 'arrogance' and 'a sense of superiority' would have those who know me scratching their heads in bewilderment. Like all of us, I have many faults, but those are defintely not on my list.
Also, if EMR isnt Richard (he says he isnt, so fair enough), he may not be aware that I have family and friends who actually LIVE in "small town America" and I visit at least once a year (usually twice if I can), so I literally LIVE in Small Town America for about 5-6 weeks each year; so I daresay I know their beliefs and mores far better than almost any other member of the forum. Just FYI, my mother-in-law and friends live in Deep Red State Central Florida and my brother and sister in law in Red State Central Pennsylvania.
Not sure what the "laughable nonsense I get taken in by" refers to, but oh well. If you say so.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jan 1, 2024 22:38:34 GMT
If EMR considers the term propagandist to be a slur, then I am happy to withdraw it and apologise for any offense caused. Unlike some posters on here, I dont do ad hominem attacks. In fact, I regard them as an admission that they cant come up with a counter argument and so they play the man, not the ball. I very much value Devil's opinion on many issues and therefore I'm happy to reflect on my choice of words and equally happy to amend to 'Putin supporter' (which I think is surely uncontroversial based on posts in the Ukraine thread?) if EMR so desires?
I am not "offended" to be called a "Putin propogandist", it is simply inaccurate. Likewise I wouldn't call myself a "Putin supporter", although I do have considerable respect for the man. Do you assume that anyone who supports Israel current actions in the Gaza Strip is a "Netanyahu supporter"? Surely you understand that agreeing with the actions of a country or government in a certain area does mean that you must be a supporter of that government? More specifically I find it truly laughable that you and many others still have not grasped where my primary loyalty and interest in this conflict lies. Do I really need to spell it out in the most simple terms imaginable? In response to EMRs response to my post, I would like to politely point out that accusing me of 'arrogance' and 'a sense of superiority' would have those who know me scratching their heads in bewilderment. Like all of us, I have many faults, but those are defintely not on my list.
Also, if EMR isnt Richard (he says he isnt, so fair enough), he may not be aware that I have family and friends who actually LIVE in "small town America" and I visit at least once a year (usually twice if I can), so I literally LIVE in Small Town America for about 5-6 weeks each year; so I daresay I know their beliefs and mores far better than almost any other member of the forum. Just FYI, my mother-in-law and friends live in Deep Red State Central Florida and my brother and sister in law in Red State Central Pennsylvania. It is the sneering contempt you and many others, mostly on the left, have for "poor people" who vote for their values rather than what you consider to be their economic interest. You assume that the people in that video are simply taken in by propaganda without even beginning to comprehend what perfectly sound reasons that they might have for supporting Putin. You assume that they are simple peasants with no understanding of politics or their country while believing yourself to be sophisticated and intelligent. I will take you at your word that you don't feel this was to those living in small town America but you have demonstrated your views towards rural Russians by your response to that obnoxious video. |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Jan 1, 2024 22:45:31 GMT
Back on topic we have one final candidate. Sergey Malinkovich was nominated by the Communists of Russia on 28th December and filed his paperwork with the CEC today (the deadline for party candidates). Assuming his nomination is accepted he will need to to gather 100,000 signatures to get on the ballot.
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jan 2, 2024 19:21:50 GMT
If EMR considers the term propagandist to be a slur, then I am happy to withdraw it and apologise for any offense caused. Unlike some posters on here, I dont do ad hominem attacks. In fact, I regard them as an admission that they cant come up with a counter argument and so they play the man, not the ball. I very much value Devil's opinion on many issues and therefore I'm happy to reflect on my choice of words and equally happy to amend to 'Putin supporter' (which I think is surely uncontroversial based on posts in the Ukraine thread?) if EMR so desires?
In response to EMRs response to my post, I would like to politely point out that accusing me of 'arrogance' and 'a sense of superiority' would have those who know me scratching their heads in bewilderment. Like all of us, I have many faults, but those are defintely not on my list.
Also, if EMR isnt Richard (he says he isnt, so fair enough), he may not be aware that I have family and friends who actually LIVE in "small town America" and I visit at least once a year (usually twice if I can), so I literally LIVE in Small Town America for about 5-6 weeks each year; so I daresay I know their beliefs and mores far better than almost any other member of the forum. Just FYI, my mother-in-law and friends live in Deep Red State Central Florida and my brother and sister in law in Red State Central Pennsylvania.
Not sure what the "laughable nonsense I get taken in by" refers to, but oh well. If you say so. I don't trust anybody who supports Trump and I most certainly don't trust anybody who treats Russia with any credibility. Both the US and Russia have become "countries" on the edge of self destruction. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Jan 4, 2024 11:41:52 GMT
Why "countries" in inverted commas, Dok?
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Jan 4, 2024 15:45:45 GMT
Why "countries" in inverted commas, Dok? With regards to the US, I'm less convinced than ever that it's functioning as a proper, organised, country. You have such division amongst and within individual states, courts packed with Trump appointees willing to do the bidding of a political ideal, Texas resembling Margaret Atwood's Gilead, constant legal challenges to everything. I know States can't leave the Union so the only thing left is increasing crumbling of the fabric of society and if Dictator For A Day is returned, that's the country destroyed.. |
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