johnloony
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Post by johnloony on Mar 18, 2024 19:02:15 GMT
All these Russian Putinists in Europe should piss off. If he's that great, why are they here? Because they live here. The population distribution is not organised primarily on the criterion of which type of politics people support. |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Mar 19, 2024 0:35:56 GMT
All these Russian Putinists in Europe should piss off. If he's that great, why are they here? People live abroad for all sorts of reasons. Do you think that anyone of Indian origin living in Britain should piss off just because they like Modi? |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Mar 19, 2024 0:57:22 GMT
All these Russian Putinists in Europe should piss off. If he's that great, why are they here? People live abroad for all sorts of reasons. Do you think that anyone of Indian origin living in Britain should piss off just because they like Modi? I have no issue with Modi. He hasn't invaded Nepal or Sri Lanka and colonised a sizeable swathe of their land. Russians who live in the UK and support Putin, thereby endorsing his regime's ravings about how we in the West are homosexual Nazis, should leave. They're obviously not fans of us and I'd rather foreigners who hated us pissed off. We, the British people, didn't ask for them, we don't need them and they're not wanted. |
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Post by WJ on Mar 19, 2024 8:14:31 GMT
Are we expected to believe that the overseas voting figures are any more or less accurate than the ones reported from inside Russia?
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Post by The Bishop on Mar 19, 2024 12:46:52 GMT
It is possible - I put it no higher than this - that they could be somewhat more reliable.
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Post by mrpastelito on Mar 19, 2024 20:44:39 GMT
People live abroad for all sorts of reasons. Do you think that anyone of Indian origin living in Britain should piss off just because they like Modi? I have no issue with Modi. He hasn't invaded Nepal or Sri Lanka and colonised a sizeable swathe of their land. Russians who live in the UK and support Putin, thereby endorsing his regime's ravings about how we in the West are homosexual Nazis, should leave. They're obviously not fans of us and I'd rather foreigners who hated us pissed off. We, the British people, didn't ask for them, we don't need them and they're not wanted. I can't help laughing when you consider that about half the world didn't ask for us, the British; they didn't need us and we weren't wanted. It was us who invaded Sri Lanka and many other countries, and had we been able to, we would have clung to our Empire. It sounds a bit like sour grapes coming from you. Now here's a novel thought: We may say the age of imperialism is over, but perhaps it is not the age of imperialism that is over, but only that of our own empire. Just because we've lost our empire, that doesn't automatically mean others have to forfeit theirs. In fact, it would appear that China and Russia think it's their turn now. |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Mar 20, 2024 0:37:29 GMT
People live abroad for all sorts of reasons. Do you think that anyone of Indian origin living in Britain should piss off just because they like Modi? I have no issue with Modi. He hasn't invaded Nepal or Sri Lanka and colonised a sizeable swathe of their land. Russians who live in the UK and support Putin, thereby endorsing his regime's ravings about how we in the West are homosexual Nazis, should leave. They're obviously not fans of us and I'd rather foreigners who hated us pissed off. We, the British people, didn't ask for them, we don't need them and they're not wanted. How do you know that they are not fans of us? It is perfectly possible to like Britain and like Putin and liking a politician or political party does mean that you agree with them on everything. In any event deciding to deport people who are in this country legally on the basis of how they voted in a foreign election is an exceptionally short sighted idea. |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Mar 20, 2024 0:41:19 GMT
I have no issue with Modi. He hasn't invaded Nepal or Sri Lanka and colonised a sizeable swathe of their land. Russians who live in the UK and support Putin, thereby endorsing his regime's ravings about how we in the West are homosexual Nazis, should leave. They're obviously not fans of us and I'd rather foreigners who hated us pissed off. We, the British people, didn't ask for them, we don't need them and they're not wanted. I can't help laughing when you consider that about half the world didn't ask for us, the British; they didn't need us and we weren't wanted. It was us who invaded Sri Lanka and many other countries, and had we been able to, we would have clung to our Empire. It sounds a bit like sour grapes coming from you. Now here's a novel thought: We may say the age of imperialism is over, but perhaps it is not the age of imperialism that is over, but only that of our own empire. Just because we've lost our empire, that doesn't automatically mean others have to forfeit theirs. In fact, it would appear that China and Russia think it's their turn now. The trouble is that we lost our empire with out losing our imperial pretentions and Forfarshire Conservative is a classic example of this. He still thinks Britain is a global power and wants us to be involved in numerous conflicts that are none of our business. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Mar 20, 2024 1:14:45 GMT
I can't help laughing when you consider that about half the world didn't ask for us, the British; they didn't need us and we weren't wanted. It was us who invaded Sri Lanka and many other countries, and had we been able to, we would have clung to our Empire. It sounds a bit like sour grapes coming from you. Now here's a novel thought: We may say the age of imperialism is over, but perhaps it is not the age of imperialism that is over, but only that of our own empire. Just because we've lost our empire, that doesn't automatically mean others have to forfeit theirs. In fact, it would appear that China and Russia think it's their turn now. The trouble is that we lost our empire with out losing our imperial pretentions and Forfarshire Conservative is a classic example of this. He still thinks Britain is a global power and wants us to be involved in numerous conflicts that are none of our business. I think it's naive as hell if you think the age of empires is over. There are empires right now. What is America, China, Iran, heck even Google, Amazon and SpaceX. Empires and imperialism will exist for as long as humans exist. However, naivety aside, this isn't imperialism. What happens in Europe affects our security in an existential manner. It has been recognised for nearly a thousand years that we need to stop one nation dominating vast swathes of the continent to guarantee our security, and I argue this is no different. |
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Mar 20, 2024 3:34:35 GMT
The trouble is that we lost our empire with out losing our imperial pretentions and Forfarshire Conservative is a classic example of this. He still thinks Britain is a global power and wants us to be involved in numerous conflicts that are none of our business. I think it's naive as hell if you think the age of empires is over. There are empires right now. What is America, China, Iran, heck even Google, Amazon and SpaceX. Empires and imperialism will exist for as long as humans exist. However, naivety aside, this isn't imperialism. What happens in Europe affects our security in an existential manner. It has been recognised for nearly a thousand years that we need to stop one nation dominating vast swathes of the continent to guarantee our security, and I argue this is no different. Heaven knows you and I disagree on things yet here we are. The UK has a very mixed track record with modern conflicts on our doorstep. Our allies in the Baltic and the east are under threat from a tyrant. Of course we're going to do better for our NATO allies, and continental Europe more widely. |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Mar 20, 2024 18:59:30 GMT
The trouble is that we lost our empire with out losing our imperial pretentions and Forfarshire Conservative is a classic example of this. He still thinks Britain is a global power and wants us to be involved in numerous conflicts that are none of our business. I think it's naive as hell if you think the age of empires is over. I have not suggested anything of the sort. |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on May 10, 2024 16:50:24 GMT
He has hinted about possible changes in the Russian government so it is possible that we about to see a preferred successor elevated to high office. However I suspect such a move is more likely to take place after the next legislative elections which are due in 2026. The aftermath of a presidential election is always a good time to do this sort of thing, not least because if it isn't working, you can bring in a new face ready for those elections. His namecheck of Patrushev junior last year in the much-vaunted "major speech" would suggest a long-term role for him. Or it could be someone we've not even considered, as the cabinet includes a fair few who are too old (Lavrov is surely ruled out on age),just do not fit the template, or who have too much noise around them (Khusnullin). Following Putin's inauguration on Tuesday the government of Mikhail Mishustin resigned. Yesterday Putin nominated Mishustin to serve a second term and he was approved by the Duma 375-0 with 57 abstentions (The Communist Party). He is expected to announce his new new cabinet within the coming days and this is where we may see a potential successor to Putin being elevated. Some of the more outlandish rumours include Shoigu being replaced as Minister of Defence although I think this unlikely. One possible big changes could be at the Foreign Ministry. It is widely known that Lavrov would quite like to retire but Putin doesn't want to lose him at the present time. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on May 10, 2024 17:34:56 GMT
The aftermath of a presidential election is always a good time to do this sort of thing, not least because if it isn't working, you can bring in a new face ready for those elections. His namecheck of Patrushev junior last year in the much-vaunted "major speech" would suggest a long-term role for him. Or it could be someone we've not even considered, as the cabinet includes a fair few who are too old (Lavrov is surely ruled out on age),just do not fit the template, or who have too much noise around them (Khusnullin). Following Putin's inauguration on Tuesday the government of Mikhail Mishustin resigned. Yesterday Putin nominated Mishustin to serve a second term and he was approved by the Duma 375-0 with 57 abstentions (The Communist Party). He is expected to announce his new new cabinet within the coming days and this is where we may see a potential successor to Putin being elevated. Some of the more outlandish rumours include Shoigu being replaced as Minister of Defence although I think this unlikely. One possible big changes could be at the Foreign Ministry. It is widely known that Lavrov would quite like to retire but Putin doesn't want to lose him at the present time. Fair play to Mishustin. He must have something about him to survive. |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on May 10, 2024 18:40:10 GMT
Following Putin's inauguration on Tuesday the government of Mikhail Mishustin resigned. Yesterday Putin nominated Mishustin to serve a second term and he was approved by the Duma 375-0 with 57 abstentions (The Communist Party). He is expected to announce his new new cabinet within the coming days and this is where we may see a potential successor to Putin being elevated. Some of the more outlandish rumours include Shoigu being replaced as Minister of Defence although I think this unlikely. One possible big changes could be at the Foreign Ministry. It is widely known that Lavrov would quite like to retire but Putin doesn't want to lose him at the present time. Fair play to Mishustin. He must have something about him to survive. He is an able technocrat with no obvious political ambitions and a pretty low public profile. These factors make him ideal for Putin. |
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Post by markfoster on May 10, 2024 19:59:52 GMT
The aftermath of a presidential election is always a good time to do this sort of thing, not least because if it isn't working, you can bring in a new face ready for those elections. His namecheck of Patrushev junior last year in the much-vaunted "major speech" would suggest a long-term role for him. Or it could be someone we've not even considered, as the cabinet includes a fair few who are too old (Lavrov is surely ruled out on age),just do not fit the template, or who have too much noise around them (Khusnullin). Following Putin's inauguration on Tuesday the government of Mikhail Mishustin resigned. Yesterday Putin nominated Mishustin to serve a second term and he was approved by the Duma 375-0 with 57 abstentions (The Communist Party). He is expected to announce his new new cabinet within the coming days and this is where we may see a potential successor to Putin being elevated. Some of the more outlandish rumours include Shoigu being replaced as Minister of Defence although I think this unlikely. One possible big changes could be at the Foreign Ministry. It is widely known that Lavrov would quite like to retire but Putin doesn't want to lose him at the present time. Who do you consider the main contenders? |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on May 10, 2024 20:54:11 GMT
Following Putin's inauguration on Tuesday the government of Mikhail Mishustin resigned. Yesterday Putin nominated Mishustin to serve a second term and he was approved by the Duma 375-0 with 57 abstentions (The Communist Party). He is expected to announce his new new cabinet within the coming days and this is where we may see a potential successor to Putin being elevated. Some of the more outlandish rumours include Shoigu being replaced as Minister of Defence although I think this unlikely. One possible big changes could be at the Foreign Ministry. It is widely known that Lavrov would quite like to retire but Putin doesn't want to lose him at the present time. Who do you consider the main contenders? No idea really. We don't even know who all of the selectors are let alone what all of their criteria will be. It could easily be someone as obscure as Putin was in the mid 90s. Dmitry Patrushev is a name often mentioned, largely because of how influential his father is, so if he gets a big promotion (he is currently Agriculture Minister) he will certainly be one to watch. |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on May 12, 2024 10:55:52 GMT
Mishustin announced his new cabinet last night, or should I say most of it. We still don't have the full picture because the ministers of Defence, Emergency Situations, Foreign Affairs, Interior and Justice are all appointed by the President.
Firstly to explain the structure of the Russian government there are multiple Deputy Prime Ministers (9 in the last cabinet, 10 in the proposed one) who are responsible for a broad area of policy (i.e Construction and Regional Development) or have a specific non policy role (i.e Chief of Staff of the Government). One of these are styled First Deputy Prime Minister. Then there are 21 ministers who head up the various ministries. The idea is that the Deputy Prime Ministers have a broad overview of policy and co-ordinate the activities of various ministries. In practice the power and authority of the Deputy Prime Ministers varies greatly.
So, noteworthy moves. As expected Dmitry Patrushev has been promoted but it is not the kind of move that seems to be preparing him for the highest office. He is set to become Deputy Prime Minister for Agriculture and Environment. Current Deputy Prime Minister for Defence and Space Industry Denis Manturov retains that portfolio but will become First Deputy Prime Minister. This probably reflects the importance of defence industry at the present rather any indication that Manturov is being elevated. Alexander Novak, Deputy Prime Minister for Fuel–Energy Complex also gets a promotion to Deputy Prime Minister for Economy, Finance and National Projects.
Perhaps the most noteworthy change is the omission of Andrey Belousov, currently First Deputy Prime Minister for Economy, Finance and National Projects. It has been stated that he will be taking on another job, presumably one appointed by the President. Since he is close to Putin if he ends up in a high profile position it is certainly possible that he is being set up as a successor. He is an economist with no obvious siloviki connections so this would be a bit of a surprise but would probably suggest that Putin doesn't want to be replaced by a hardliner.
NB: While the titles Prime Minister and Deputy Prime Ministers are widely used these are informal titles. The official titles are Chairman of the government of the Russian Federation and Deputy Chairman of the government of the Russian Federation.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on May 12, 2024 18:35:53 GMT
No official confirmation yet but it is being reported that Belousov will replace Shoigu as Minister of Defence.
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Post by rcronald on May 12, 2024 18:44:19 GMT
No official confirmation yet but it is being reported that Belousov will replace Shoigu as Minister of Defence. Good riddance. Shoigu is/was an incompetent joker, and should have never been elevated in the first place. |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on May 12, 2024 18:46:21 GMT
Now confirmed. The other 4 ministers appointed by the President will all stay in place.
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