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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 8, 2024 19:24:41 GMT
Had I a Labour MP, I'd want them to turn up to CLP meetings as often as was feasible. But I don't see what would be gained by them formally being a member of the CLP.
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Post by uthacalthing on Jan 8, 2024 19:40:11 GMT
It benefits them, not the association.
In Tory associations, it is possible to flood a very small organization, office bearers and activist base with direct supporters and staffers. Its not actually a good thing
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Post by Rutlander on Jan 8, 2024 20:02:44 GMT
It benefits them, not the association. In Tory associations, it is possible to flood a very small organization, office bearers and activist base with direct supporters and staffers. Its not actually a good thing Like Wellingborough you mean? Where the management team includes Helen Harrison, Mrs Bone, Tom Pursglove, other ex-employees of Mr Bone and his good friends et al. |
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Post by batman on Jan 8, 2024 20:06:18 GMT
I wonder how the first two get on
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Post by evergreenadam on Jan 9, 2024 17:01:35 GMT
Do the Conservatives (and Labour) have a rule that you need to be a member where you live? Certainly in the Lib Dems your membership default is where you live but you can be accepted by another local party if they agree and being an MP/Candidate would be a reason for that. It usually is, but if a person moves then their party membership doesn't automatically move with them. e.g. Gavin Barwell told me that he was (and possibly still is, to this day) a member of the party in Coulsdon, where he was a councillor 20 years ago, rather than in Sanderstead where he lives. That’s bonkers. You could end up with a candidate selected on the basis of votes from people who no longer even live there. I am not sure whether this loophole has since been closed but I seem to remember there was a case in the 1990s, probably Nicholas Scott in Chelsea, where the incumbent Tory MP was under fire and said something along the lines of ‘you can’t throw me out of the Tory Party as I am not actually a member.’ And he was right because you didn’t have to be a Tory party member to be a Tory MP. |
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Post by london(ex)tory on Jan 9, 2024 17:24:29 GMT
It usually is, but if a person moves then their party membership doesn't automatically move with them. e.g. Gavin Barwell told me that he was (and possibly still is, to this day) a member of the party in Coulsdon, where he was a councillor 20 years ago, rather than in Sanderstead where he lives. That’s bonkers. You could end up with a candidate selected on the basis of votes from people who no longer even live there. I am not sure whether this loophole has since been closed but I seem to remember there was a case in the 1990s, probably Nicholas Scott in Chelsea, where the incumbent Tory MP was under fire and said something along the lines of ‘you can’t throw me out of the Tory Party as I am not actually a member.’ And he was right because you didn’t have to be a Tory party member to be a Tory MP. My understanding (which may be wrong / out of date, or we may have misinterpreted things locally) is that you could be a member of more than one association but that voting rights for selecting parliamentary / council candidates are tied to where you live / are on the electoral register. For example before I left the party I was a member of both Leyton & Wanstead (where I live about 200 yards within the boundary) and Chingford & Woodford Green (which was by far the more active association by virtue of having the MP) but I could only be involved in selection votes for Leyton & Wanstead. My husband also used to be a member of Ilford North when he was a councillor there, but again he could only vote for selection purposes in L&W. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Jan 9, 2024 17:58:24 GMT
That’s bonkers. You could end up with a candidate selected on the basis of votes from people who no longer even live there. I am not sure whether this loophole has since been closed but I seem to remember there was a case in the 1990s, probably Nicholas Scott in Chelsea, where the incumbent Tory MP was under fire and said something along the lines of ‘you can’t throw me out of the Tory Party as I am not actually a member.’ And he was right because you didn’t have to be a Tory party member to be a Tory MP. My understanding (which may be wrong / out of date, or we may have misinterpreted things locally) is that you could be a member of more than one association but that voting rights for selecting parliamentary / council candidates are tied to where you live / are on the electoral register. For example before I left the party I was a member of both Leyton & Wanstead (where I live about 200 yards within the boundary) and Chingford & Woodford Green (which was by far the more active association by virtue of having the MP) but I could only be involved in selection votes for Leyton & Wanstead. My husband also used to be a member of Ilford North when he was a councillor there, but again he could only vote for selection purposes in L&W. That would be reasonable but potentially complex to administer. |
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Post by carolus on Jan 11, 2024 13:09:11 GMT
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Post by Rutlander on Jan 11, 2024 14:08:11 GMT
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Post by Rutlander on Jan 11, 2024 14:22:23 GMT
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Post by johnloony on Jan 11, 2024 16:16:53 GMT
If Wellingborough has the same turnout, and the same net swing from Conservative to Labour, as other recent by-elections, then the result would be:
The same as Bedfordshire Mid: Labour majority 1,900
The same as Tamworth::::::::::: Labour majority 3,500
The same as Selby & Ainsty::::: Labour majority 4,200
The same as Uxbridge & S.R.::: Conservative majority 8,300
The same as Wakefield::::::::::: Conservative majority 3,200
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Post by uthacalthing on Jan 11, 2024 19:46:59 GMT
The circumstances are nowhere nearly as Tory favourable as Uxbridge, but I suspect that sympathy for Peter Bone will exceed sympathy for any of the other outgoing Tory MPs and with his successor having his approval the Tory vote may hold up better than expected
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Post by batman on Jan 11, 2024 20:39:05 GMT
yes, this isn't cut & dried. Although I suspect Labour will make it
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Post by batman on Jan 11, 2024 20:40:17 GMT
Labour a mere 7-1 on at the bookmakers. Tories 9-2
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jan 11, 2024 21:23:19 GMT
Labour a mere 7-1 on at the bookmakers. Tories 9-2 I refer the honorable gentlemen to the Mid-Bedfordshire by-election odds, where they fell for the LD nonsense for weeks. |
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Post by batman on Jan 11, 2024 22:23:04 GMT
They did, but not quite to this extent. They were also very slow to understand what was happening in Uxbridge & S Ruislip, or rather the punters were.
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Post by agbutler on Jan 12, 2024 0:32:15 GMT
The circumstances are nowhere nearly as Tory favourable as Uxbridge, but I suspect that sympathy for Peter Bone will exceed sympathy for any of the other outgoing Tory MPs and with his successor having his approval the Tory vote may hold up better than expected Sympathy for Peter Bone? |
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Post by johnloony on Jan 12, 2024 2:21:01 GMT
The circumstances are nowhere nearly as Tory favourable as Uxbridge, but I suspect that sympathy for Peter Bone will exceed sympathy for any of the other outgoing Tory MPs and with his successor having his approval the Tory vote may hold up better than expected Sympathy for Peter Bone? Not so much sympathy for Peter Bone, or what he did, but derision and contempt for the flawed process by which he was usurped. |
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Post by maxque on Jan 12, 2024 2:21:57 GMT
Not so much sympathy for Peter Bone, or what he did, but derision and contempt for the flawed process by which he was usurped. I doubt there is much of that either, as most people would be fired by their employers in similar circumstances. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 12, 2024 10:26:05 GMT
Yes, this idea that there is substantial sympathy for Bone locally seems to be a right wing meme without much evidence to back it up. And even some who do think he was a bit harshly treated may not be amused by who the Tories picked to replace him.
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