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Post by evergreenadam on Jan 8, 2024 8:24:56 GMT
The most notable thing about his wife I remember was regular references to Mrs Bone during his parliamentary questions, seemed to become a running gag Somewhat ironic given what we know now. |
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Post by Rutlander on Jan 8, 2024 8:27:48 GMT
The problem is if the selected candidate actually stands in opposition to the decision of her party's MPs to accept the findings of the Independent Expert Panel, along with the recommendation of the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards, Mr Bone's subsequent suspension and losing of her party's whip. The problem may be that the Governing party, having expressed full support for the person found to have been physically bullied and to have suffered sexual misconduct, now chooses a candidate who disbelieves said victim. The governing party has quite clearly not selected such a candidate. The local association has. The governing party has shown itself unable to prevent them from doing so. And the local association has displayed contempt for the Independent Expert Panel, along with the recommendation of the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards. And who produced a shortlist of one person known by all members of the local association (councillor, worked in MP's office) and two unknowns? "I hear that CCHQ has done all the decision-making on this one" (local journalist Kate Cronin) |
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 8, 2024 9:55:38 GMT
So are we to assume that Bone won’t be standing as a candidate in the by-election? Before Christmas there was speculation that he might stand as an independent or for Reform. If you believe the persistent rumours, it was precisely that threat that has led the Tories to select his bit on the side. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 8, 2024 10:23:28 GMT
It's interesting how many of our so-called "progressive" members seem to think a woman should be punished for the misdemeanours of her partner. I'm not sure that the electorate voting for somebody else is a punishment in the conventional meaning of the term. |
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jan 8, 2024 11:00:57 GMT
The problem is if the selected candidate actually stands in opposition to the decision of her party's MPs to accept the findings of the Independent Expert Panel, along with the recommendation of the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards, Mr Bone's subsequent suspension and losing of her party's whip. The problem may be that the Governing party, having expressed full support for the person found to have been physically bullied and to have suffered sexual misconduct, now chooses a candidate who disbelieves said victim. The governing party has quite clearly not selected such a candidate. The local association has. The governing party has shown itself unable to prevent them from doing so. And the local association has displayed contempt for the Independent Expert Panel, along with the recommendation of the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards. Except that the the national party's creation of the shortlist, the presence at the selection meeting of the Party Chairman, and his subsequent enthusiastic tweeting of the result, somewhat contradicts the idea that any attempt was made to discourage this selection. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 8, 2024 11:40:58 GMT
"around 50 local association Conservatives" (inc. Pursglove but not Mrs Bone) So Pursglove isn’t a member where he’s the MP for? I would guess this is far from unknown for MPs from various parties? |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jan 8, 2024 11:55:12 GMT
So Pursglove isn’t a member where he’s the MP for? I would guess this is far from unknown for MPs from various parties? Whilst many MPs don't live in their constituencies I would always have assumed that they would be a member there just out of basic loyalty. Do the Conservatives (and Labour) have a rule that you need to be a member where you live? Certainly in the Lib Dems your membership default is where you live but you can be accepted by another local party if they agree and being an MP/Candidate would be a reason for that. Also contributing to (all be it just by voting) the candidate selection in another seat is a bit off isn't it? Very easy way to ensure bad blood in the future I would have thought. |
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Post by johnloony on Jan 8, 2024 13:04:11 GMT
Do the Conservatives (and Labour) have a rule that you need to be a member where you live? Certainly in the Lib Dems your membership default is where you live but you can be accepted by another local party if they agree and being an MP/Candidate would be a reason for that. It usually is, but if a person moves then their party membership doesn't automatically move with them. e.g. Gavin Barwell told me that he was (and possibly still is, to this day) a member of the party in Coulsdon, where he was a councillor 20 years ago, rather than in Sanderstead where he lives. |
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Post by johnloony on Jan 8, 2024 13:22:58 GMT
So are we to assume that Bone won’t be standing as a candidate in the by-election? Before Christmas there was speculation that he might stand as an independent or for Reform. If you believe the persistent rumours, it was precisely that threat that has led the Tories to select his bit on the side. I doubt if that would have been a strong enough reason. If they have selected her, they would probably have selected her anyway. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Jan 8, 2024 14:05:39 GMT
So are we to assume that Bone won’t be standing as a candidate in the by-election? Before Christmas there was speculation that he might stand as an independent or for Reform. If you believe the persistent rumours, it was precisely that threat that has led the Tories to select his bit on the side. No need for gendered insults. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 8, 2024 14:17:27 GMT
Pursglove grew up in Wellingborough and I believe he was a councillor there when he was first elected. I would guess this is far from unknown for MPs from various parties? Whilst many MPs don't live in their constituencies I would always have assumed that they would be a member there just out of basic loyalty. Do the Conservatives (and Labour) have a rule that you need to be a member where you live? Certainly in the Lib Dems your membership default is where you live but you can be accepted by another local party if they agree and being an MP/Candidate would be a reason for that. Also contributing to (all be it just by voting) the candidate selection in another seat is a bit off isn't it? Very easy way to ensure bad blood in the future I would have thought. Your Labour membership is entirely determined by where you live. When you update your address in the party's membership system, the system automatically assigns you to a new CLP based on its location. |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jan 8, 2024 15:13:22 GMT
Your Labour membership is entirely determined by where you live. When you update your address in the party's membership system, the system automatically assigns you to a new CLP based on its location. So as a Labour member you have to (or is that too strong) be a member where you live even if you're an MP for a different seat? |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 8, 2024 15:32:05 GMT
Your Labour membership is entirely determined by where you live. When you update your address in the party's membership system, the system automatically assigns you to a new CLP based on its location. So as a Labour member you have to (or is that too strong) be a member where you live even if you're an MP for a different seat? I don't understand the 'have to'. The Labour Party has a national membership system. Members put in their home addresses. They are then members of the CLP which contains their home address, or Northern Ireland CLP, or Labour International. |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jan 8, 2024 16:07:10 GMT
So as a Labour member you have to (or is that too strong) be a member where you live even if you're an MP for a different seat? I don't understand the 'have to'. The Labour Party has a national membership system. Members put in their home addresses. They are then members of the CLP which contains their home address, or Northern Ireland CLP, or Labour International. What I’m trying to ask is (and to pick a completely random example) if the MP for Cardiff Central Jo Stevens actually lived in Cardiff West would she have to be a member of Cardiff West CLP and therefor be entitled to vote for it’s chair/secretary etc (and hypothetically the Labour Candidate for Cardiff West) even though she is the MP for and attends and reports to Cardiff Central CLP meetings? Or can she choose to be a member of Cardiff Central CLP (regardless of her address) which would be far more logical given her elected role? |
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Post by uthacalthing on Jan 8, 2024 16:09:45 GMT
If I may interpret the question, if I as a Labour member in say Banff and Buchan move to London, but wish to retain my membership for emotional reasons in Banff and Buchan, can I do so?
Asking with a one-time Newham Labour Councilor in mind. I can't recall her name.
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Post by stb12 on Jan 8, 2024 16:20:38 GMT
If I may interpret the question, if I as a Labour member in say Banff and Buchan move to London, but wish to retain my membership for emotional reasons in Banff and Buchan, can I do so? Asking with a one-time Newham Labour Councilor in mind. I can't recall her name. I think you have enough seats to choose from already! |
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Post by batman on Jan 8, 2024 16:26:55 GMT
I don't understand the 'have to'. The Labour Party has a national membership system. Members put in their home addresses. They are then members of the CLP which contains their home address, or Northern Ireland CLP, or Labour International. What I’m trying to ask is (and to pick a completely random example) if the MP for Cardiff Central Jo Stevens actually lived in Cardiff West would she have to be a member of Cardiff West CLP and therefor be entitled to vote for it’s chair/secretary etc (and hypothetically the Labour Candidate for Cardiff West) even though she is the MP for and attends and reports to Cardiff Central CLP meetings? Or can she choose to be a member of Cardiff Central CLP (regardless of her address) which would be far more logical given her elected role? I have no idea where Jo lives, but if she wants to be a member of Cardiff Central CLP she would need to live in the constituency, as she may well do. Of course as the MP she would be expected and invited to attend meetings of the CLP in the constituency which she represents in parliament irrespective of where she holds her membership of the party. |
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Post by batman on Jan 8, 2024 16:28:30 GMT
If I may interpret the question, if I as a Labour member in say Banff and Buchan move to London, but wish to retain my membership for emotional reasons in Banff and Buchan, can I do so? Asking with a one-time Newham Labour Councilor in mind. I can't recall her name. if you don't have a home in Banff & Buchan, you cannot remain a member of Banff & Buchan CLP. You could always keep in touch with its members on an individual basis if you wish to, or indeed ask the secretary if you could be invited to its social events. |
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Post by batman on Jan 8, 2024 16:32:23 GMT
I'm sure my old friend Chris has a strong emotional attachment to Richmond Park CLP. He has, in two spells, served as its Secretary with amazing diligence for donkey's years. But now that the Labour Party is organising on the basis of the new constituency boundaries, he will now be in a neighbouring constituency, and he automatically ceases to be a member of RPCLP and therefore (even if he wished to continue, which he no longer does as it is time for him to have an extremely well-deserved rest) can no longer serve as its Secretary. As it happens, I met our new Secretary for the first time yesterday, canvassing in our twinned marginal of Uxbridge & South Ruislip.
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jan 8, 2024 17:29:12 GMT
I have no idea where Jo lives, but if she wants to be a member of Cardiff Central CLP she would need to live in the constituency, as she may well do. Of course as the MP she would be expected and invited to attend meetings of the CLP in the constituency which she represents in parliament irrespective of where she holds her membership of the party. Thanks that answers my question. The Lib Dems have different rules. Each to their own etc. If I was a local party exec member I'd obviously want my candidate to live in the seat they represent/seek to represent (last minute paper candidates aside) but understand that's often not possible, but as a minimum I would expect them to transfer their membership - but it sounds as though in other parties that's neither possible nor the done thing. |
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