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Post by LDCaerdydd on Jan 7, 2024 19:26:02 GMT
Who selected the candidate? "around 50 local association Conservatives" (inc. Pursglove but not Mrs Bone) So Pursglove isn’t a member where he’s the MP for? |
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Post by greenhert on Jan 7, 2024 19:31:40 GMT
And Harrison has been chosen (surprise!) Ah yes-she stood in Bolsover in 2017 against Dennis Skinner. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Jan 7, 2024 19:36:51 GMT
There seems to be a bit of a trend in the Tory party of keeping it in the family when the MP steps down under a cloud and they select the partner instead. A la Dover.
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Post by Rutlander on Jan 7, 2024 19:54:20 GMT
And Harrison has been chosen (surprise!) Ah yes-she stood in Bolsover in 2017 against Dennis Skinner. Also, Harrison stood in Ashfield in 2015 |
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Post by graham on Jan 7, 2024 19:54:36 GMT
There seems to be a bit of a trend in the Tory party of keeping it in the family when the MP steps down under a cloud and they select the partner instead. A la Dover. But selecting a mistress is surely for many people going 'beyond the pale.' The open flouting of an adulterous relationship in this way is likely to be widely condemned - probably particularly by Mary Whitehouse Tory types and churchgoers. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Jan 7, 2024 20:14:17 GMT
There seems to be a bit of a trend in the Tory party of keeping it in the family when the MP steps down under a cloud and they select the partner instead. A la Dover. But selecting a mistress is surely for many people going 'beyond the pale.' The open flouting of an adulterous relationship in this way is likely to be widely condemned - probably particularly by Mary Whitehouse Tory types and churchgoers. Are there really many of those types left? And if so are there really many of those amongst the Conservative Party membership? In some ways that would be the last place for those types to look for moral probity these days - especially amongst Tory MPs where you could be forgiven for thinking that the workplace culture is about excess and debauchery. |
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Post by heslingtonian on Jan 7, 2024 20:21:51 GMT
There seems to be a bit of a trend in the Tory party of keeping it in the family when the MP steps down under a cloud and they select the partner instead. A la Dover. But selecting a mistress is surely for many people going 'beyond the pale.' The open flouting of an adulterous relationship in this way is likely to be widely condemned - probably particularly by Mary Whitehouse Tory types and churchgoers. I might have this wrong but I thought I'd read that Bone left Mrs Bone for Harrison when Mrs Bone was having cancer treatment. If this is true then I'd expect it to feature in the campaign. |
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Post by batman on Jan 7, 2024 21:38:03 GMT
Yes. Adultery per se is no longer abhorrent to more than a tiny number of voters. But leaving your wife for a mistress when your wife is sick is a bit different. It cost John Edwards his career in America for example, although the American electorate is of course not the same as the electorate here. There would, nevertheless, be rather more voters who would find that a serious barrier to their continued support. If, that is, what you say is correct.
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Post by heslingtonian on Jan 7, 2024 22:01:56 GMT
Yes. Adultery per se is no longer abhorrent to more than a tiny number of voters. But leaving your wife for a mistress when your wife is sick is a bit different. It cost John Edwards his career in America for example, although the American electorate is of course not the same as the electorate here. There would, nevertheless, be rather more voters who would find that a serious barrier to their continued support. If, that is, what you say is correct. In fairness, John Edwards was even worse. He had a child with his mistress and asked a member of his campaign team to fake a DNA test so he could be passed off as the child's father. All this while his wife was dying of terminal cancer. I'm no great moralist but this was pretty dreadful by any yardstick. |
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Post by batman on Jan 7, 2024 22:22:45 GMT
yes that's true - that's definitely a lot further down, or is that up, the scumbag scale than Peter Bone
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Post by andrewp on Jan 7, 2024 22:38:36 GMT
But selecting a mistress is surely for many people going 'beyond the pale.' The open flouting of an adulterous relationship in this way is likely to be widely condemned - probably particularly by Mary Whitehouse Tory types and churchgoers. I might have this wrong but I thought I'd read that Bone left Mrs Bone for Harrison when Mrs Bone was having cancer treatment. If this is true then I'd expect it to feature in the campaign. I’m not sure that was him? Mrs Bone had cancer in 2014, he left her in 2018. James Gray ( North Wiltshire) cheated on Mrs Gray whilst she was undergoing cancer treatment. |
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Post by heslingtonian on Jan 7, 2024 23:06:28 GMT
I might have this wrong but I thought I'd read that Bone left Mrs Bone for Harrison when Mrs Bone was having cancer treatment. If this is true then I'd expect it to feature in the campaign. I’m not sure that was him? Mrs Bone had cancer in 2014, he left her in 2018. James Gray ( North Wiltshire) cheated on Mrs Gray whilst she was undergoing cancer treatment. I did say I wasn't 100% sure on the timings re: Peter Bone |
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Post by stb12 on Jan 7, 2024 23:16:32 GMT
The most notable thing about his wife I remember was regular references to Mrs Bone during his parliamentary questions, seemed to become a running gag
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Post by graham on Jan 7, 2024 23:20:12 GMT
Yes. Adultery per se is no longer abhorrent to more than a tiny number of voters. But leaving your wife for a mistress when your wife is sick is a bit different. It cost John Edwards his career in America for example, although the American electorate is of course not the same as the electorate here. There would, nevertheless, be rather more voters who would find that a serious barrier to their continued support. If, that is, what you say is correct. I suspect that adultery is still frowned upon by a substantial section of the population - maybe even a majority.. I am certainly aware of people who would strongly object to their children being taught at school by an adulterer - and who would seek to bring pressure to get him/her removed were it to arise. |
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Post by stb12 on Jan 8, 2024 1:05:50 GMT
I imagine a majority of people still view adultery as wrong, but when it comes to whether it’s a deal breaker over how a person is judged I don’t think it’s a high number at all these days. I don’t even just mean that in a political context but in general life
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jan 8, 2024 1:29:03 GMT
It's interesting how many of our so-called "progressive" members seem to think a woman should be punished for the misdemeanours of her partner. Nope, I had no problem at all with the selection of Kate Kniveton to replace her appalling husband in Burton. The problem is if the selected candidate actually stands in opposition to the decision of her party's MPs to accept the findings of the Independent Expert Panel, along with the recommendation of the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards, Mr Bone's subsequent suspension and losing of her party's whip. The problem may be that the Governing party, having expressed full support for the person found to have been physically bullied and to have suffered sexual misconduct, now chooses a candidate who disbelieves said victim. It is nothing to with her being the partner of Mr Bone, it is a question of whether she will support the decision of the House of Commons, offer succour to the victim, and not allow her partner to have a role in her election campaign, which is only taking place due to his misdemeanors. That is treating her as you would anybody else the Tories may have selected. |
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Post by evergreenadam on Jan 8, 2024 4:32:24 GMT
So are we to assume that Bone won’t be standing as a candidate in the by-election? Before Christmas there was speculation that he might stand as an independent or for Reform.
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Post by johnloony on Jan 8, 2024 5:09:35 GMT
So are we to assume that Bone won’t be standing as a candidate in the by-election? Before Christmas there was speculation that he might stand as an independent or for Reform. Sadly, yes. Bunch of spoilsports. Don’t they realise that the main function and purpose of parliamentary by-elections is to create excitement and fun for psephologists and predictionologists? |
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Post by batman on Jan 8, 2024 6:13:26 GMT
Of course he will not stand against his girlfriend.
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Post by uthacalthing on Jan 8, 2024 7:43:48 GMT
The problem is if the selected candidate actually stands in opposition to the decision of her party's MPs to accept the findings of the Independent Expert Panel, along with the recommendation of the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards, Mr Bone's subsequent suspension and losing of her party's whip. The problem may be that the Governing party, having expressed full support for the person found to have been physically bullied and to have suffered sexual misconduct, now chooses a candidate who disbelieves said victim. The governing party has quite clearly not selected such a candidate. The local association has. The governing party has shown itself unable to prevent them from doing so. And the local association has displayed contempt for the Independent Expert Panel, along with the recommendation of the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards. |
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