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Post by iain on Oct 11, 2023 17:44:38 GMT
Scalise apparently won the GOP nomination 113 to 99 over Jordan. Doesn't bode particularly well for his chances of a majority on the House floor.
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Post by John Chanin on Oct 11, 2023 17:52:10 GMT
Scalise apparently won the GOP nomination 113 to 99 over Jordan. Doesn't bode particularly well for his chances of a majority on the House floor. Surprised the majority was so slim. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2023 18:00:55 GMT
Scalise apparently won the GOP nomination 113 to 99 over Jordan. Doesn't bode particularly well for his chances of a majority on the House floor. Surprised the majority was so slim. Ā Trump endorsed Jim Jordan. 10 Republicans abstained. 113 is a bit embarrassing for a House Majority Leader. Scalise has 99 problems and passing legislation wonāt be one. This reminds me of when RON won the Oxford Union election. |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Oct 11, 2023 18:16:57 GMT
Scalise apparently won the GOP nomination 113 to 99 over Jordan. Doesn't bode particularly well for his chances of a majority on the House floor. Surprised the majority was so slim. Talk is that McCarthy really dislikes Scalise and doesn't think he was the most loyal of deputies. Therefore a number of McCarthy loyalists may be unwilling to back Scalise. |
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Post by stb12 on Oct 11, 2023 18:57:09 GMT
Surprised the majority was so slim. Talk is that McCarthy really dislikes Scalise and doesn't think he was the most loyal of deputies. Therefore a number of McCarthy loyalists may be unwilling to back Scalise. |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Oct 11, 2023 19:06:06 GMT
Talk is that McCarthy really dislikes Scalise and doesn't think he was the most loyal of deputies. Therefore a number of McCarthy loyalists may be unwilling to back Scalise. The thing is Jordan backed McCarthy very strongly in January and has done very little, if anything, to undermine him since then. Also part of the calculation is probably that Jordan cannot possibly get 217 votes on the house floor anyway. |
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Post by stb12 on Oct 11, 2023 19:13:22 GMT
Ā Ā Even with that being true you'd think they'd dislike Jordan more The thing is Jordan backed McCarthy very strongly in January and has done very little, if anything, to undermine him since him then.Ā Also part of the calculation is probably that Jordan cannot possibly get 217 votes on the house floor anyway.Ā Yes, Jordan comes across as more on the loon ball side much of the time and thereās the strong ties to Trump but I was being a bit presumptuous about how heās treated McCarthy without checking up in it more carefully Nevertheless heās just too hardline for too many Iād expect, Scalise is more conservative than McCarthy but has been in leadership positions long enough to still have some required pragmatism |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Oct 11, 2023 19:18:40 GMT
The thing is Jordan backed McCarthy very strongly in January and has done very little, if anything, to undermine him since him then. Also part of the calculation is probably that Jordan cannot possibly get 217 votes on the house floor anyway. Yes, Jordan comes across as more on the loon ball side much of the time and thereās the strong ties to Trump but I was being a bit presumptuous about how heās treated McCarthy without checking up in it more carefully Nevertheless heās just too hardline for too many Iād expect, Scalise is more conservative than McCarthy but has been in leadership positions long enough to still have some required pragmatism In fairness to Jordan he has developed a substantial pragmatic streak over the last couple of years. I don't think his ideology has changed but once the prospect of being Judiciary Committee Chairman came into view he started to see the benefits of sometimes playing nicely with the other children. In that spirit he has now said that he backs Scalise, has offered to nominate him on the house floor and is apparently working to round up support. |
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Post by stb12 on Oct 11, 2023 19:24:20 GMT
Yes, Jordan comes across as more on the loon ball side much of the time and thereās the strong ties to Trump but I was being a bit presumptuous about how heās treated McCarthy without checking up in it more carefully Nevertheless heās just too hardline for too many Iād expect, Scalise is more conservative than McCarthy but has been in leadership positions long enough to still have some required pragmatism In fairness to Jordan he has developed a substantial pragmatic streak over the last couple of years. I don't think his ideology has changed but once the prospect of being Judiciary Committee Chairman came into view he started to see the benefits of sometimes playing nicely with the other children.Ā In that spirit he has now said that he backs Scalise, has offered to nominate him on the house floor and is apparently working to round up support.Ā Canāt get much fairer than that, Gaetz seems to have accepted Speaker Scalise quite happily but itāll be interesting to see if anyone else on those fringes tries to be awkward to win even further concessions |
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Oct 11, 2023 19:29:22 GMT
In fairness to Jordan he has developed a substantial pragmatic streak over the last couple of years. I don't think his ideology has changed but once the prospect of being Judiciary Committee Chairman came into view he started to see the benefits of sometimes playing nicely with the other children. In that spirit he has now said that he backs Scalise, has offered to nominate him on the house floor and is apparently working to round up support. Canāt get much fairer than that, Gaetz seems to have accepted Speaker Scalise quite happily but itāll be interesting to see if anyone else on those fringes tries to be awkward to win even further concessions Gaetz just wanted to take McCarthy down due to some personal grudge, the details of which are not publicly known. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2023 19:29:57 GMT
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Post by stb12 on Oct 11, 2023 19:38:52 GMT
Another ridiculous session of never ending votes really would be potentially fatal for the GOP's governing credibility
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2023 11:54:18 GMT
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Post by jamesdoyle on Oct 12, 2023 15:07:53 GMT
Another ridiculous session of never ending votes really would be potentially fatal for the GOP's governing credibility But, as with last time, it would be really, really funny. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2023 18:00:08 GMT
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Post by stb12 on Oct 12, 2023 18:38:10 GMT
Ken Buck refused to vote for either candidate because neither would admit that Biden fairly won in 2020
Heās pretty consistent on this issue despite it contradicting most other members in his wing of the conference
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Post by stb12 on Oct 12, 2023 18:43:15 GMT
Itās an utter farce and I donāt even see who is a viable compromise candidate like the way Paul Ryan was in 2015 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2023 20:06:58 GMT
Tom Emmer, House Majority Whip (MN-6), might end up as the compromise candidate if Scalise or Jordan canāt win.
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Post by Wisconsin on Oct 12, 2023 20:13:02 GMT
What is the Calvin Coolidge Project? |
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Post by finsobruce on Oct 12, 2023 20:57:29 GMT
What is the Calvin Coolidge Project? They are, or were at the start, a group of Republicans (not necessarily moderates either) opposed to the candidacy of Trump and his ongoing domination of the GOP. |
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