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Post by ailean on May 18, 2013 22:28:07 GMT
There can't be that many Mormons in a single parliamentary constituency surely... Going up for the first time next Saturday with a carload from Cumbernauld I would not have thought there were a car load of Mormons in Cumbernauld either I thought you were a Wee Free? I dug myself into that hole! There is actually a Mormon church in Cumbernauld but have no idea how prolific they are locally, though they were going round the doors in my street a month or so ago... Not a wee free either. One of my friends was up today with a minibus full of SNP folk from Glasgow - he said as far as he could tell from the canvassing he was doing the SNP vote seemed pretty solid. From what I've heard we have a huge amount of voter ID in this constituency, which should help. Was completely pouring down so he didn't see much evidence of other parties - said all he found was a pretty poor quality risoed leaflet from Labour and a glossy lib-dem leaflet. |
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Post by ailean on May 19, 2013 9:52:00 GMT
Well you are clearly not Uist Catholic or you would be Labour. In fact the Catholic parts of the Western Isles (South Uist and Barra) are actually historically the strongest SNP parts of the islands - an interesting quirk compared to other parts of Scotland! |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 12:40:05 GMT
In fact the Catholic parts of the Western Isles (South Uist and Barra) are actually historically the strongest SNP parts of the islands - an interesting quirk compared to other parts of Scotland! Is that because the strict Calvinist denominations are more anti-independence? I remember the Free Presbyterians giving a press release last last year saying that the Union had been instituted by God and that an independent Scotland might end up a Catholic state without the protection of England as a result of more engagement with the rest of Europe -- or something to that general effect anyway. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 14:06:56 GMT
In fact the Catholic parts of the Western Isles (South Uist and Barra) are actually historically the strongest SNP parts of the islands - an interesting quirk compared to other parts of Scotland! Is that because the strict Calvinist denominations are more anti-independence? I remember the Free Presbyterians giving a press release last last year saying that the Union had been instituted by God and that an independent Scotland might end up a Catholic state without the protection of England as a result of more engagement with the rest of Europe -- or something to that general effect anyway. What century are inhabitants of these islands living in? |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 14:28:22 GMT
What century are inhabitants of these islands living in? Stornoway on a Sunday is a bit of an experience. To be fair, the Free Presbyterians (or 'Wee Wee Frees', as they are sometimes known) are at the most extreme end of things, and are in the minority everywhere except (I think) Raasay. The women are more recognisable -- they tend to wear big brown skirts with their hair in buns. I was just trying to access their website, but it's unfortunately closed for the Sabbath. However, they have a long article there about the dangers facing modern Britain or something to that effect -- it goes on for pages and pages about Catholicism, and to a lesser extent Neo-Paganism and Islam, but only mentions increased atheism and secular attitudes in a small paragraph at the end. Their sense of proportion is really quite strange. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 16:19:38 GMT
What century are inhabitants of these islands living in? Stornoway on a Sunday is a bit of an experience. To be fair, the Free Presbyterians (or 'Wee Wee Frees', as they are sometimes known) are at the most extreme end of things, and are in the minority everywhere except (I think) Raasay. The women are more recognisable -- they tend to wear big brown skirts with their hair in buns. I was just trying to access their website, but it's unfortunately closed for the Sabbath. However, they have a long article there about the dangers facing modern Britain or something to that effect -- it goes on for pages and pages about Catholicism, and to a lesser extent Neo-Paganism and Islam, but only mentions increased atheism and secular attitudes in a small paragraph at the end. Their sense of proportion is really quite strange. Must be the only time you'll see a traffic jam on Lewis. |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2013 18:25:09 GMT
What century are inhabitants of these islands living in? Stornoway on a Sunday is a bit of an experience. To be fair, the Free Presbyterians (or 'Wee Wee Frees', as they are sometimes known) are at the most extreme end of things, and are in the minority everywhere except (I think) Raasay. The women are more recognisable -- they tend to wear big brown skirts with their hair in buns. I was just trying to access their website, but it's unfortunately closed for the Sabbath. However, they have a long article there about the dangers facing modern Britain or something to that effect -- it goes on for pages and pages about Catholicism, and to a lesser extent Neo-Paganism and Islam, but only mentions increased atheism and secular attitudes in a small paragraph at the end. Their sense of proportion is really quite strange. Does the bible say that web servers cant be up on Sundays?  |
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Post by johnloony on May 19, 2013 19:14:02 GMT
What century are inhabitants of these islands living in? 17th, i think |
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Post by ailean on May 19, 2013 19:32:15 GMT
What century are inhabitants of these islands living in? 17th, i think To be fair most of the Western Isles aren't too bad now - when you get onto Uist and Barra it is a completely different world on a Sunday from Lewis and Harris! It is only small pockets in Harris and parts of Lewis where they still have similar levels of sabbath observance they did 20/30 years ago. And even then it only tends to be amongst older folk. The FP website always makes me laugh on a Sunday... No idea why Uist and Barra are more heavily SNP inclined than the Presbyterian northern islands, but the FP influence may have something to do with this historically. They were always traditionally known to be conservative voters locally (for the most part) which makes sense when you understand how socially and religiously conservative their denomination is. The first MSP for the WI, Alasdair Morrison, was the son of an FP minister from North Uist. |
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Post by countryloon on May 19, 2013 20:37:38 GMT
The above question is one fir Countrylooninthetoon. Out canvassing last night I met the SNP group comprising the local Cllr the candidate, a local MSP and a MSP from Edinburgh. I met a libdem delivering last night so far this week I have met three people who identified themselves as Libdems, I understand from local media that Willie Rennie was up yesterday. Not seen any UKIP activities yet to be honest im not sure if the UKIP candidate has been to Aberdeen yet. Labour seem very buoyed and up for the fight and have had lots of people out according to twitter and local activists I know. I imagine the NF will concentrate their activities to streets near where their members live and seem to want to base the campaign fighting plans for a mosque in the neighbouring seat. I dont expect to see the SDA or the SCP during the campaign. It's my understanding that Brian's wife was from Utah and he converted to the Church of Latter Day Saints. |
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Post by Tony Otim on May 19, 2013 21:52:21 GMT
Not seen any UKIP activities yet to be honest im not sure if the UKIP candidate has been to Aberdeen yet. I thought there had been a very active UKIP campaign for Aberdeen South (sic)... in Edinburgh. |
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Post by AdminSTB on May 20, 2013 0:01:52 GMT
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Post by dustymac on May 20, 2013 7:14:45 GMT
My honest feeling at this stage is that its going to be alot closer than people just looking at the numbers would think. That is what I think! I think people under estimate the power of the person over the party.. Although yes voting by party is the larger influence, however I think when you have the local councillors in the mix people can relate to those councillors or not in some cases and vote for the person rather than the party. At least that is the sense I get of it all |
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Post by dustymac on May 20, 2013 11:29:23 GMT
Ladbrokes have priced the seat up as follows. SNP 1/5. Labour 7/2, UKIP 66/1, Conservatives, Green, Libdem and SDA all 100/1 the NF & SCP are 200/1. I have placed a couple of small bets. Hmm I wonder how they based the odds... I would of put UKIP on the 200/1 list |
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Post by countryloon on May 20, 2013 23:01:02 GMT
Ladbrokes have priced the seat up as follows. SNP 1/5. Labour 7/2, UKIP 66/1, Conservatives, Green, Libdem and SDA all 100/1 the NF & SCP are 200/1. I have placed a couple of small bets. You know Ladbrokes are not taking it seriously when they offer shorter odds for UKIP than Conservatives. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 20, 2013 23:36:30 GMT
Betting odds start off as the bookies' guess, but then they follow the money. These particular markets aren't huge so a big bet on UKIP by a deludedly optimistic supporter can swing the odds.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2013 13:44:19 GMT
SNP need to attack the council, and dog whistle about the Traveller site planned for Willie's ward. Am I the only person to find this remark deeply depressing? |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2013 13:50:40 GMT
SNP need to attack the council, and dog whistle about the Traveller site planned for Willie's ward. Am I the only person to find this remark deeply depressing? Not half as depressing as the Labour Party's treatment of travellers in Fife and elsewhere. Total denial of "citizenship" for "these people". |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2013 14:15:05 GMT
Am I the only person to find this remark deeply depressing? Not half as depressing as the Labour Party's treatment of travellers in Fife and elsewhere. Total denial of "citizenship" for "these people". Oh, make no mistake, I have no truck with the Labour Party's disgraceful scapegoating of Travellers in many places and was a party to a complaint against then Home Secretary Jack Straw for his shameful and totally inaccurate remarks about Travellers at the end of the 1990s. Some of the best councillors to work with Travellers have been Conservatives and a couple of unelected UKIP-supporters. Some of the worst have been those on the 'left', not just Labour but a Liberal Democrats as well. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on May 21, 2013 15:21:19 GMT
I have yet to see them say anything positive about thier own candidate (who in fairness got a private members bill through) or thier parties record at Holyrood but its still early maybe they will start the positive stuff later in the campaign. That would be an unusual order of literature. |
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