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Post by YL on Mar 15, 2024 21:34:36 GMT
“Galloway, 69, would need to step down as Rochdale’s MP – a role he has held for 14 days so far – if was elected Greater Manchester mayor” I know it’s generally been convention for MPs elected as Mayors to stand down but is there actually a law on it now? PCCs are not allowed to be MPs, and I understand this is extended to Mayors who hold the PCC powers; this is why Dan Jarvis (who didn't have those powers) was allowed to continue to be an MP but Tracy Brabin had to resign on election as Mayor of West Yorkshire.
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Post by stb12 on Mar 15, 2024 21:55:09 GMT
“Galloway, 69, would need to step down as Rochdale’s MP – a role he has held for 14 days so far – if was elected Greater Manchester mayor” I know it’s generally been convention for MPs elected as Mayors to stand down but is there actually a law on it now? PCCs are not allowed to be MPs, and I understand this is extended to Mayors who hold the PCC powers; this is why Dan Jarvis (who didn't have those powers) was allowed to continue to be an MP but Tracy Brabin had to resign on election as Mayor of West Yorkshire. Ken Livingstone and Boris Johnson both had dual mandate spells as Mayor, but I guess that was before the PCC concept as such?
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Post by jamie on Mar 15, 2024 22:17:07 GMT
B is right most people I talk to in GM say Burnham is Mr Manchester. He's not Labour he's Andy Burnham. The only thing is it doesn't translate into the locals. When Andy wins Saddleworth Labour doesn't I’m not so sure. Labour’s local election results were relatively good in Greater Manchester in 2021 given the national result, while they didn’t seem to improve much in 2022. Insofar as coattails exist, Burnham seemed to have them.
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Post by mattbewilson on Mar 15, 2024 22:38:27 GMT
B is right most people I talk to in GM say Burnham is Mr Manchester. He's not Labour he's Andy Burnham. The only thing is it doesn't translate into the locals. When Andy wins Saddleworth Labour doesn't I’m not so sure. Labour’s local election results were relatively good in Greater Manchester in 2021 given the national result, while they didn’t seem to improve much in 2022. Insofar as coattails exist, Burnham seemed to have them. it's a feeling amongst some activists might not be true in reality
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Post by owainsutton on Mar 16, 2024 11:07:36 GMT
“Galloway, 69, would need to step down as Rochdale’s MP – a role he has held for 14 days so far – if was elected Greater Manchester mayor” I know it’s generally been convention for MPs elected as Mayors to stand down but is there actually a law on it now? I've been trying to figure this one out. I think the situation is that, if elected, he would have to stand down as MP in order to accept office, because the role includes the PCC remit. (Tracy Brabin stood down as MP, the W Yorks role including PCC remit, whereas Dan Jarvis did not.)
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Mar 21, 2024 11:35:39 GMT
The Conservative candidate has defected to Reform.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Mar 21, 2024 11:40:06 GMT
The Conservative candidate has defected to Reform. He has now rebranded, unsurprisingly, as the Reform candidate.
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 21, 2024 11:47:28 GMT
Amusing, as the Tory used "Let's Save Britain" - so clearly Reform UK = Conservatism.
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Post by batman on Mar 21, 2024 11:51:46 GMT
"I have my principles, but if you don't like them, I can change them"
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Mar 21, 2024 11:58:39 GMT
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Post by YL on Mar 21, 2024 12:10:30 GMT
I think he was guaranteed to lose because he was standing against Andy Burnham for Mayor of Greater Manchester…
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Post by doktorb🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️ on Mar 21, 2024 18:35:02 GMT
He's told the MEN that the Conservatives have "given up on the north" and while he was given £5,000 to "print a few leaflets", Susan Hall 'told me she has £5m in donations "
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Post by owainsutton on Mar 21, 2024 19:10:04 GMT
He's told the MEN that the Conservatives have "given up on the north" and while he was given £5,000 to "print a few leaflets", Susan Hall 'told me she has £5m in donations " Sounds like the party committed to the freepost-booklet entry, which costs £5k, but nothing more. Sensible, given the scale of defeat last time. Meanwhile, he believes things that Susan Hall says.
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Post by michaelarden on Mar 21, 2024 20:41:44 GMT
He's told the MEN that the Conservatives have "given up on the north" and while he was given £5,000 to "print a few leaflets", Susan Hall 'told me she has £5m in donations " Perhaps announcing the cancellation of Manchester's new rail line in Manchester wasn't such a good idea by Sunak.
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Post by heslingtonian on Mar 21, 2024 21:30:06 GMT
Because it went so well last time...
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Post by Merseymike on Mar 21, 2024 21:40:33 GMT
Does that mean that Laura Evans will be the same Conservative candidate?
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Post by batman on Mar 21, 2024 21:43:19 GMT
looks like it
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Post by bsjmcr on Mar 22, 2024 0:24:22 GMT
So another clean sweep for Andy then across all wards? And the perennial reminder to London Labour that he is the best leader they haven’t had (so far) in terms of winning back the north.
Ironically the only thing that could remotely threaten that, wouldn’t be the Conservative challenger, but if in the unlikely event Galloway did pop up, could he potentially carry (or do rather well in) a couple of Rochdale/Oldham wards, or Rusholme etc? Yet I feel Burnham is less despised than Starmer on his stance on Gaza, given, as a local leader he can stay out of it, and his stance when he has talked about it has been more pragmatic and agreeable. If people have an axe to grind Labour on that issue, I don’t think all of them will necessarily punish Burnham for it.
As for the size of the Labour majority - it could equally be a very low turnout and Andy to some less engaged in politics may have been ‘less visible’ than in 2021 when he was universally loved for standing up to the government during the Tier 3 nonsense (and derided by a tiny minority of empty vessels making a lot of noise over the clean air zone) - now with neither of those things at the fore, will there still be as much of a positive (or negative) reason for people to come out and vote? Having said that, the Bee Buses have been very visible, at least in the areas covered thus far, and arguably just as visible to the pro-car crowd whether they like buses or not.
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Post by owainsutton on Mar 22, 2024 6:18:33 GMT
Ironically the only thing that could remotely threaten that, wouldn’t be the Conservative challenger, but if in the unlikely event Galloway did pop up, could he potentially carry (or do rather well in) a couple of Rochdale/Oldham wards, or Rusholme etc? The sheer scale of this election means Galloway wouldn't make an impact. A couple of wards out of over two hundred?
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Post by bsjmcr on Mar 22, 2024 9:04:23 GMT
Ironically the only thing that could remotely threaten that, wouldn’t be the Conservative challenger, but if in the unlikely event Galloway did pop up, could he potentially carry (or do rather well in) a couple of Rochdale/Oldham wards, or Rusholme etc? The sheer scale of this election means Galloway wouldn't make an impact. A couple of wards out of over two hundred? Absolutely, I meant in terms of Burnham not winning every single ward this time, whereas he did last time (and the first time around you could count the Tory wards on your hands). This time, if any single ward was to be won by a party other than Labour in GM I can only think of it being by GG in one of his strongholds. I don’t think there is a Tory resurgence of any kind at the moment in Bowden or Bramhall…
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