YL
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Post by YL on Jun 25, 2023 13:53:36 GMT
Eagle eyes will note that that tweet is dated 22 June and realise that it refers to the Guardian interview previously discussed in this thread, not a new one.
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Post by uthacalthing on Jun 26, 2023 15:45:03 GMT
Only 18 months till the GE, the electorate may form the view that they can elect a chimp to briefly punish the Tories
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r34t
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Post by r34t on Jun 28, 2023 13:37:59 GMT
Neil Guild stood in Taunton last time and made the final 3 for the Exeter selection. It will be interesting to see if he’s a contender if the Labour nomination for one of the Bristol seats comes up at any point soon. Mr Droomgoole being very phlegmatic. Sean Dromgoole has now resigned from the Labour Party over his treatment, evidently no one has been in touch to explain why he was overlooked. More general there are comments about who was asked, what was the process ? |
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Post by markfoster on Jun 28, 2023 14:11:24 GMT
Very poor show in my view. Sean is a good guy and and has worked a lot for the party. I don't understand why someone couldn't have called him to explain why they chose someone else. This is how we lose good people.
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Post by bridgyoldboy on Jun 28, 2023 16:54:23 GMT
Very poor show in my view. Sean is a good guy and and has worked a lot for the party. I don't understand why someone couldn't have called him to explain why they chose someone else. This is how we lose good people. Yes Sean is a lovely guy but however justifiably aggrieved he is such a resignation can come across as sour grapes no one has an automatic right to be either short or long listed. This is not the first time that previous losing candidates have not been selected. Clearly the party needs to be more open and transparent and hopefully lessons will be learnt. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2023 16:57:38 GMT
I don't know the person on question but I always take resigning over a failure to get selected as a sign that the party were right not to select someone
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Post by markfoster on Jun 28, 2023 17:46:31 GMT
Very poor show in my view. Sean is a good guy and and has worked a lot for the party. I don't understand why someone couldn't have called him to explain why they chose someone else. This is how we lose good people. Yes Sean is a lovely guy but however justifiably aggrieved he is such a resignation can come across as sour grapes no one has an automatic right to be either short or long listed. This is not the first time that previous losing candidates have not been selected. Clearly the party needs to be more open and transparent and hopefully lessons will be learnt. Sure there's no automatic right, and there may well be good reasons for not selecting him, but the way this has been handled is disappointing. I haven't spoken to him recently, but given the two public statements he made, it seems likely that a simple phone call 'Hi Sean, thank you for all your hard work, but we've decided to select Neil because of a, b and c. Let's keep working together in the future.' could have resolved things. High-handed actions like this (and it's hardly the first in recent times!) drive people away and demoralize local members. |
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Post by graham on Jun 28, 2023 17:49:50 GMT
Yes Sean is a lovely guy but however justifiably aggrieved he is such a resignation can come across as sour grapes no one has an automatic right to be either short or long listed. This is not the first time that previous losing candidates have not been selected. Clearly the party needs to be more open and transparent and hopefully lessons will be learnt. Sure there's no automatic right, and there may well be good reasons for not selecting him, but the way this has been handled is disappointing. I haven't spoken to him recently, but given the two public statements he made, it seems likely that a simple phone call 'Hi Sean, thank you for all your hard work, but we've decided to select Neil because of a, b and c. Let's keep working together in the future.' could have resolved things. High-handed actions like this (and it's hardly the first in recent times!) drive people away and demoralize local members. We also see Starmer reneging on his promises on a day by day basis with every indication now that he has become every bit the compulsive liar that Johnson was. Increasingly he is offering nothing worth voting for. Perhaps the best that can now be hoped for is that he fails to get an overall majority at all -or a majority sufficiently small that 20 - 30 Campaign Group MPs have sufficient leverage as to be able to hold him to ransom.If Labour ends up with circa 330 MPs , a group of 30 Campaign MPs which would owe him nothing could go all out to frustrate him by witholding their support. |
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Post by maxque on Jun 28, 2023 18:03:45 GMT
Very poor show in my view. Sean is a good guy and and has worked a lot for the party. I don't understand why someone couldn't have called him to explain why they chose someone else. This is how we lose good people. Yes Sean is a lovely guy but however justifiably aggrieved he is such a resignation can come across as sour grapes no one has an automatic right to be either short or long listed. This is not the first time that previous losing candidates have not been selected. Clearly the party needs to be more open and transparent and hopefully lessons will be learnt. Any minute a Labour staffer would have spend calling him would have been a minute where they are not developping their post-Labour job prospects with lobbyists. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Jun 28, 2023 18:04:31 GMT
Our politics is in a pitiful state. Usually, there is at least one party that a floating voter could at least feel had their act together. Under Salmond, the SNP for example. In the coalition years, both coalition parties. Arguably even Labour. It's arguable.
At present, nada.
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Chris from Brum
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 29, 2023 8:26:44 GMT
Very poor show in my view. Sean is a good guy and and has worked a lot for the party. I don't understand why someone couldn't have called him to explain why they chose someone else. This is how we lose good people. That resignation statement in full: |
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 29, 2023 10:54:52 GMT
Yes Sean is a lovely guy but however justifiably aggrieved he is such a resignation can come across as sour grapes no one has an automatic right to be either short or long listed. This is not the first time that previous losing candidates have not been selected. Clearly the party needs to be more open and transparent and hopefully lessons will be learnt. Sure there's no automatic right, and there may well be good reasons for not selecting him, but the way this has been handled is disappointing. I haven't spoken to him recently, but given the two public statements he made, it seems likely that a simple phone call 'Hi Sean, thank you for all your hard work, but we've decided to select Neil because of a, b and c. Let's keep working together in the future.' could have resolved things. High-handed actions like this (and it's hardly the first in recent times!) drive people away and demoralize local members. Its a difficult one, its undoubtedly true that party HQ can behave in a high handed and unaccountable manner at times (though to a degree that seems to be the nature of the beast, nobody should pretend this started under the current leadership) But storming off in a huff straight away will only make many suspect that you were never so reliable all along. The best thing is surely to wait until the dust has settled, and see how you feel then. |
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Post by batman on Jun 29, 2023 11:40:24 GMT
well he did, for a week.
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 29, 2023 11:42:39 GMT
Just a matter of days after he tweeted "ah well, Labour's actual candidate is good". No indication there of what was coming.
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Post by batman on Jun 29, 2023 12:25:18 GMT
I do get that sometimes things rankle but can take a while to get into full rankling mode.
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Post by uthacalthing on Jun 29, 2023 13:11:42 GMT
It has taken me six months to understand what I am annoyed about with my Brother in law.
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Post by John Chanin on Jun 29, 2023 13:12:06 GMT
It's possible that he asked to be contacted with an explanation, but was ignored, as per usual arrogance of Labour Central Office, and that has decided him to go. Frankly I don't blame him. While Labour centrally has always been high-handed, factionalized, and incompetent, this has got even worse under Starmer.
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Post by maxque on Jun 29, 2023 14:06:53 GMT
It's possible that he asked to be contacted with an explanation, but was ignored, as per usual arrogance of Labour Central Office, and that has decided him to go. Frankly I don't blame him. While Labour centrally has always been high-highed, factionaluzed, and incompetent, this has got even worse under Starmer. I would blame that dreadful report that pretty much said that the leadership should have no power on staff. |
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Post by andrewp on Jun 29, 2023 17:00:41 GMT
If you apply the swing from the Tiverton and Honiton by election to here, you get a LD gain with a majority of 14,600- the polls are worse for the Tories than they were then. Not impossible for a LD gain by upwards of 15000, maybe close to 20,000.
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Post by jakegb on Jun 29, 2023 17:54:14 GMT
If you apply the swing from the Tiverton and Honiton by election to here, you get a LD gain with a majority of 14,600- the polls are worse for the Tories than they were then. Not impossible for a LD gain by upwards of 15000, maybe close to 20,000. Very interesting, the Lib Dems have not seen by-election majorities like that since the 90s, with the likes of Winchester and Christchurch, though the latter's subsequent general election highlights how volatile the swings can be. |
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