Selby and Ainsty

[sirbenjamin]

Jun 23, 2023 8:25:49 GMT aargauer said:

Jun 22, 2023 22:47:03 GMT batman said:

the feeling in the Labour Party during the last elections was that the Tory council had run out of ideas & that its shine had faded with the ticket-splitting voters of whom Sir Benjamin speaks. They had a good run and less than a decade ago we in the Labour Party doubted that we would ever win it back, despite our relative strength in parliamentary elections (much augmented in the last 2 elections of course). In the end the ticket-splitters started to run out of reasons to vote Conservative at council level leaving the Tories only with their core loyal-at-all-elections vote. I wouldn't say that their defeat is necessarily permanent though. Once the saliency of Brexit starts to dissipate amongst voters the Tories are perfectly capable of recovery, especially if an incoming Labour government becomes unpopular.

I think we have big demographic problems irrespective of the saliency of brexit. At least we would need to change the demographic to which we appeal.

Getting way off topic for Selby and Ainsty, but yes, I think the demographic issues in Wandsworth for the Conservatives are pretty serious.

Part of the problem is that this is a part of London with quite a lot of population churn. An unstable, changing population means that you can't rely on history. Whereas the compelling argument for retaining power went something like 'Look how good the Tory council is! Broadly competent! Low council tax! Flagship! Don't rock the boat' etc. that all changes after power has been lost. 'Remember how good the Tory council used to be' isn't going to mean much to people who've just moved in.

I think the actual churn of councillors was too high as well. Lots of single-termers and chicken-runners. Some who were undoubtedly careerists looking for something good to put on their Tory CV.

[The Bishop]

Jun 23, 2023 9:37:14 GMT stb12 said:

Jun 23, 2023 8:44:22 GMT batman said:

the last one is a given. Political parties to win elections have at times to appeal to demographics they aren't appealing to at that time.

And I think the Conservative Party are pretty flexible in that sense, more so than say the Republican Party in the US and their long ongoing issues in appealing to the black vote

Historically they have been, but funny you should mention the GOP - it is clear the Tory right is increasingly influenced by the "NatCon" tendency just as they are.

[stb12]

Jun 23, 2023 11:25:18 GMT The Bishop said:

Jun 23, 2023 9:37:14 GMT stb12 said:

And I think the Conservative Party are pretty flexible in that sense, more so than say the Republican Party in the US and their long ongoing issues in appealing to the black vote

Historically they have been, but funny you should mention the GOP - it is clear the Tory right is increasingly influenced by the "NatCon" tendency just as they are.

But the top of the Conservative Party are pragmatic (not withstanding that some cabinet appointments are further to the right to try and keep unity going), which is also the case with the GOP to a large extent still but the US primary system makes it more difficult in terms of controlling the type of people elected

[YL]

It looks like the Climate Party (the one led by Buckinghamshire councillor Ed Gemmell) are trying to stand here.

Also someone called Andrew Gray is apparently "the AI-powered candidate".

[london(ex)tory]

How long does it take to publish a bloody SOPN?

[greenhert]

Jun 23, 2023 16:49:52 GMT london(ex)tory said:

How long does it take to publish a bloody SOPN?

The SOPN should really have been made available an hour ago, but the election notice states that the SOPN will be published on Monday if there are objections to the validity of the nomination papers of one or more candidates.

[london(ex)tory]

Jun 23, 2023 17:23:34 GMT greenhert said:

Jun 23, 2023 16:49:52 GMT london(ex)tory said:

How long does it take to publish a bloody SOPN?

The SOPN should really have been made available an hour ago, but the election notice states that the SOPN will be published on Monday if there are objections to the validity of the nomination papers of one or more candidates.

Yes I saw that too. Made me wonder though - how can anyone raise an objection to something that isn't visible yet? As an agent the only candidate's nomination papers I have seen is ours (which obviously I'm not going to object to!).

[YL]

At last: www.northyorks.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2023-06/Statement%20of%20Persons%20Nominated%20Selby.pdf

Andrew Philip Gray (no description)
Claire Holmes (Con)
Mike Jordan (Yorkshire Party/no description) [1]
Dave Kent (Reform UK)
Keir Alexander Mather (Lab)
Nick Palmer (Independent)
Guy Phoenix (Heritage)
Sir Archibald Stanton (OMRLP)
Matt Walker (Lib Dem)
Arnold Francis Ignatius Warneken (Green)
John William Waterston (SDP)
Luke John Wellock (Climate Party)
"Yorkshire Tyke" Cllr Tyler Callum Wilson-Kerr (Independent) [2]

[1] not Yorkshire Party as previously announced, a mistake somewhere? see later discussion
[2] sic

[Chris from Brum]

Is five candidates with surnames beginning with "W" a record?

[Merseymike]

Reform UK and the SDP have candidates - wonder why? I would have thought the SDP rather than Reform?

[Davıd Boothroyd]

Tyler Wilson-Kerr "was previously a member of the Yorkshire Party and for two years was its lead campaigner.

His use of 'Cllr' on his description comes from memership of Aberford and District Parish Council, which is not in the constituency. He was elected unopposed in Sturton Grange ward at the parish elections in May. He's on the list of councillors as 'Tyler Wilson' www.aberford-pc.gov.uk/the-councillors/

[maxque]

Jun 23, 2023 18:59:33 GMT Merseymike said:

Reform UK and the SDP have candidates - wonder why? I would have thought the SDP rather than Reform?

Reform and the SDP had a falling out over the Reclaim/Reform deal in Uxbridge, as the SDP thinks Reclaim is beyond the pale.

[markgoodair]

Jun 23, 2023 19:19:00 GMT Davıd Boothroyd said:

Tyler Wilson-Kerr "was previously a member of the Yorkshire Party and for two years was its lead campaigner.

His use of 'Cllr' on his description comes from memership of Aberford and District Parish Council, which is not in the constituency. He was elected unopposed in Sturton Grange ward at the parish elections in May. He's on the list of councillors as 'Tyler Wilson' www.aberford-pc.gov.uk/the-councillors/

I would love to know how exactly he intends to reopen the Yorkshire coal field .

[batman]

Jun 23, 2023 20:00:46 GMT markgoodair said:

Jun 23, 2023 19:19:00 GMT Davıd Boothroyd said:

Tyler Wilson-Kerr "was previously a member of the Yorkshire Party and for two years was its lead campaigner.

His use of 'Cllr' on his description comes from memership of Aberford and District Parish Council, which is not in the constituency. He was elected unopposed in Sturton Grange ward at the parish elections in May. He's on the list of councillors as 'Tyler Wilson' www.aberford-pc.gov.uk/the-councillors/

I would love to know how exactly he intends to reopen the Yorkshire coal field .

possibly cut a ribbon.

[markgoodair]

Jun 23, 2023 19:19:00 GMT Davıd Boothroyd said:

Tyler Wilson-Kerr "was previously a member of the Yorkshire Party and for two years was its lead campaigner.

His use of 'Cllr' on his description comes from memership of Aberford and District Parish Council, which is not in the constituency. He was elected unopposed in Sturton Grange ward at the parish elections in May. He's on the list of councillors as 'Tyler Wilson' www.aberford-pc.gov.uk/the-councillors/

According to David Herdson this individual was expelled from the Yorkshire Party last year for "multiple breaches of the Party''s Code of Conduct".

[batman]

I wonder what his offences were.

[wysall]

There was an incident involving a book of condolence for the late Queen.

[YL]

Jun 23, 2023 20:53:13 GMT batman said:

I wonder what his offences were.

I've no idea if either of these were relevant, but they do suggest a certain tendency to sail close to the wind:

Yorkshire councillor says he 'hopes Bank Station Cannon Street entrance collapses' in bizarre rant
Backlash as Leeds councillor puts anti-monarchy message in Queen's tribute book

His Twitter account seems to be suspended; I don't know why.

[markgoodair]

Jun 23, 2023 20:59:49 GMT YL said:

Jun 23, 2023 20:53:13 GMT batman said:

I wonder what his offences were.

I've no idea if either of these were relevant, but they do suggest a certain tendency to sail close to the wind:

Yorkshire councillor says he 'hopes Bank Station Cannon Street entrance collapses' in bizarre rant
Backlash as Leeds councillor puts anti-monarchy message in Queen's tribute book

His Twitter account seems to be suspended; I don't know why.

He did come across as a rather odd figure at the Wakefeild by election count.

[gwynthegriff]

Jun 23, 2023 17:26:49 GMT london(ex)tory said:

Jun 23, 2023 17:23:34 GMT greenhert said:

The SOPN should really have been made available an hour ago, but the election notice states that the SOPN will be published on Monday if there are objections to the validity of the nomination papers of one or more candidates.

Yes I saw that too. Made me wonder though - how can anyone raise an objection to something that isn't visible yet? As an agent the only candidate's nomination papers I have seen is ours (which obviously I'm not going to object to!).

Oh, go on!

I have known candidates want a recount when they were ahead . . .