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Post by johnloony on Aug 7, 2023 20:47:59 GMT
The Adams Precedent is to treat am MP as resigned because they said as much. No difference here. The difference is that Adams told the Speaker that he was resigning; Dorries only told the media.
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Post by timrollpickering on Aug 7, 2023 21:27:52 GMT
So the media are at fault for not informing the Chancellor?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2023 4:03:44 GMT
The Adams Precedent is to treat am MP as resigned because they said as much. No difference here. The difference is that Adams told the Speaker that he was resigning; Dorries only told the media. Which I’m sure went down well with Sir Lindsay Hoyle…
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Post by Terry Weldon on Aug 8, 2023 12:54:48 GMT
Here's the lingering member herself saying that "where MPs fall down is when they ignore their constituents". Also claiming that she's "not party political".
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Post by Terry Weldon on Aug 8, 2023 16:23:27 GMT
Ineresting - but is t reliable?
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Post by greenhert on Aug 8, 2023 16:41:49 GMT
Ineresting - but is t reliable? I will be surprised if he is wrong-he usually gives correct information.
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Post by graham on Aug 8, 2023 16:56:12 GMT
If correct, the Tories might be inclined not to move the writ until October with a by election in mid-November.
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Post by carolus on Aug 8, 2023 17:55:00 GMT
It can simulatenously be true both that Dorries has told someone that Crick trusts that she will resign in September, and that she will not, in fact, resign in September.
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Post by r34t on Aug 8, 2023 18:16:50 GMT
It can simulatenously be true both that Dorries has told someone that Crick trusts that she will resign in September, and that she will not, in fact, resign in September. Dorries could tell Crick directly that she will resign in September, and that she will not, in fact, resign in September.
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Post by batman on Aug 8, 2023 19:25:19 GMT
Perhaps, like Paddy Ashdown's puppet in Spitting Image, she will neither resign nor will she not resign - but something in between.
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Post by r34t on Aug 8, 2023 21:02:04 GMT
Perhaps, like Paddy Ashdown's puppet in Spitting Image, she will neither resign nor will she not resign - but something in between. Maybe something like giving up all that tedious responsibility of being a constituency MP, while still having the money …..
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Post by johnloony on Aug 8, 2023 22:59:16 GMT
Perhaps, like Paddy Ashdown's puppet in Spitting Image, she will neither resign nor will she not resign - but something in between. That’s what she has already neither done nor not done.
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Aug 8, 2023 23:13:01 GMT
I thought it was David Steel
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Aug 8, 2023 23:29:21 GMT
Perhaps, like Paddy Ashdown's puppet in Spitting Image, she will neither resign nor will she not resign - but something in between. Leave her in a closed room with a typed out letter applying for a Crown Stewardship and a pen, and she will be Schrödinger's MP.
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Post by batman on Aug 9, 2023 0:45:39 GMT
I thought it was David Steel no, his puppet was very small & sort of lived in David Owen's handkerchief pocket. He was supine rather than indecisive. It was definitely Ashdown.
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Post by minionofmidas on Aug 9, 2023 8:43:41 GMT
It can simulatenously be true both that Dorries has told someone that Crick trusts that she will resign in September, and that she will not, in fact, resign in September. Dorries could tell Crick directly that she will resign in September, and Crick might not consider herself a sufficiently trustworthy and in-the-know source to share the info.
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Post by The Bishop on Aug 9, 2023 11:44:29 GMT
Well tbh I have always been sceptical of the claims that this byelection would now never happen. Dorries despises the PM and only wishes him ill - it may even be she thinks that hanging around like a bad smell for a while won't help the Tories re-election prospects when the vacancy does occur.
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Post by stb12 on Aug 9, 2023 11:55:20 GMT
Wekl tbh I have always been sceptical of the claims that this byelection would now never happen. Dorries despises the PM and only wishes him ill - it may even be she thinks that hanging around like a bad smell for a while won't help the Tories re-election prospects when the vacancy does occur. The only caveat is that while she’d clearly be happy to see Sunak suffer she does seem to be friends with the new Tory candidate for the seat and has endorsed him
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Aug 9, 2023 14:16:42 GMT
As the Tory candidate is a PCC and you can't be a PCC and an MP at the same time, what's the latest this election could be called to avoid a PCC by-election given they're up for election next May anyway? Section 66 of the 2011 Act states that Festus Akinbusoye would be automatically disqualified as a PCC if elected as an MP. There is a "six month rule" - I'm unclear as to if the six months is from polling day or from the close of nominations? Nominations for the PCC elections will close (I think) on 2nd April 2024, six months prior to that is the 2nd October. If it's six months prior to election day that's 2nd November. Both of those are perfectly realistic dates given we're now in the summer recess.
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Post by greenhert on Aug 9, 2023 18:31:39 GMT
As the Tory candidate is a PCC and you can't be a PCC and an MP at the same time, what's the latest this election could be called to avoid a PCC by-election given they're up for election next May anyway? Section 66 of the 2011 Act states that Festus Akinbusoye would be automatically disqualified as a PCC if elected as an MP. There is a "six month rule" - I'm unclear as to if the six months is from polling day or from the close of nominations? Nominations for the PCC elections will close (I think) on 2nd April 2024, six months prior to that is the 2nd October. If it's six months prior to election day that's 2nd November. Both of those are perfectly realistic dates given we're now in the summer recess. Six months prior to polling day so if this by election takes place on 2 November or later, assuming it takes place at all, and Festus Akinbusoye wins, there will be no PCC by election in Bedfordshire.
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