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Post by woollyliberal on Jul 9, 2023 11:21:25 GMT
Has anybody got a source for the Flitwick bit? It was said on the Lib Dem Pod published today. I don't know their source.
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Post by graham on Jul 9, 2023 11:35:42 GMT
Has anybody got a source for the Flitwick bit? It was said on the Lib Dem Pod published today. I don't know their source. It sems unlikely that Opinium would do that to the extent of suggesting such a poll was representative of the constituency as a whole.
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Post by YL on Jul 9, 2023 14:05:06 GMT
The tables available online just say "724 residents of the Mid Bedfordshire constituency" and there is no geographic breakdown within the constituency (unlike the JL Partners polls of Selby & Ainsty and Uxbridge & South Ruislip, which have subsamples by postcode). So there's nothing there to either confirm or refute the claim that it was just a poll of Flitwick, but I don't think a reputable polling company would do that.
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Post by jamie on Jul 9, 2023 14:16:29 GMT
The tables available online just say "724 residents of the Mid Bedfordshire constituency" and there is no geographic breakdown within the constituency (unlike the JL Partners polls of Selby & Ainsty and Uxbridge & South Ruislip, which have subsamples by postcode). So there's nothing there to either confirm or refute the claim that it was just a poll of Flitwick, but I don't think a reputable polling company would do that. Could a pollster even get 724 responses in a town of 10500 electors? It would take some effort.
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Post by batman on Jul 9, 2023 21:53:21 GMT
Obviously if these reports are incorrect I withdraw my comment, but still find the poll pretty hard to take all that seriously.
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Post by European Lefty on Jul 10, 2023 9:40:44 GMT
Has anybody got a source for the Flitwick bit? It was said on the Lib Dem Pod published today. I don't know their source. So it's bollocks then.
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Post by European Lefty on Jul 10, 2023 9:41:58 GMT
(it would of course be in the LDs' interests to put that about as Flitwick is one of, if not the, strongest Labour areas in the constituency so the implication would be that they are actually doing worse than that, and therefore actually third behind the LDs)
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Post by gibbon on Jul 10, 2023 9:44:49 GMT
That has been the Liberal Democrats tactic for years. The other has been to distribute a leaflet in one part of a ward opposing something and in another part of the same ward supporting the same thing.
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Post by bigfatron on Jul 10, 2023 10:33:00 GMT
That has been the Liberal Democrats tactic for years. The other has been to distribute a leaflet in one part of a ward opposing something and in another part of the same ward supporting the same thing. Of course the Lib Dems are uniquely misleading and deceitful; neither Tories nor Labour have ever published contradictory policy views in different parts of the country or been otherwise misleading, no sirree...
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Post by gibbon on Jul 10, 2023 10:48:15 GMT
Where the Liberal Democrats are unique is that they mislead and deceitfully are able to oppose a plan in one part of the polling district/ward/constituency and actively support it in another part. In some areas the Green Party are following the same tactic.
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Post by bigfatron on Jul 10, 2023 11:07:11 GMT
Where the Liberal Democrats are unique is that they mislead and deceitfully are able to oppose a plan in one part of the polling district/ward/constituency and actively support it in another part. In some areas the Green Party are following the same tactic. Don't worry, the Tories do it down here too...
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Post by finsobruce on Jul 10, 2023 11:22:20 GMT
Where the Liberal Democrats are unique is that they mislead and deceitfully are able to oppose a plan in one part of the polling district/ward/constituency and actively support it in another part. In some areas the Green Party are following the same tactic. If the Green party are doing this too, then the Lib Dems cannot be said to be 'unique' in doing this.
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Post by tonyhill on Jul 10, 2023 12:22:40 GMT
Have you got any evidence for your assertion that the LibDems 'oppose a plan in one part of the polling district and actively support it in another'? If you have I would support you in calling them out, but if you haven't it's just partisan propaganda.
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Post by iang on Jul 10, 2023 14:57:29 GMT
In any case, how could this possibly be realistic for anyone to do in an area the size of a polling district or even ward? And how likely is it that anything (let's say school expansion) would have such a concentrated impact that this would be clearly different enough within a polling district to allow anyone to oppose it in one part of that polling district and support it in another?
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Post by bigfatron on Jul 10, 2023 15:00:26 GMT
This reminds me of the Tory-supporter bloviating over the alleged hypocrisy of the Chesham Lib Dem candidate opposing HS2 when Lib Dem national policy is in favour, completely ignoring the Tory Chesham candidate doing EXACTLY THE SAME THING...
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Post by r34t on Jul 10, 2023 15:02:59 GMT
Back in the ‘00s in Bristol, 2 LibDem cllrs for adjoining wards were for & against a residents parking zone, that spread across their boundary. More entertaining was that they were a married couple 😀
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Post by tonyhill on Jul 10, 2023 16:13:19 GMT
Obviously I don't know the details of this story but it's quite possible that the wards had different needs with regard to residents parking that weren't taken into account by the proposals. What would work in one street might not work in an adjacent street. At street level policies that look good in the council offices may not work in practice, and it is the job of councillors to reflect that back to the planners.
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Post by edgbaston on Jul 10, 2023 18:00:28 GMT
I wonder what % went straight into the bin
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Post by CatholicLeft on Jul 10, 2023 18:26:42 GMT
I wonder what % went straight into the bin Seriously, I would hate that.
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Post by woollyliberal on Jul 10, 2023 18:43:20 GMT
I wonder what % went straight into the bin Seriously, I would hate that. That's about 6 per house. Over what period? 6 months? Nadine has been expected to go for ages. I doubt they've been getting 1 a week out for 6 weeks.
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