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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on May 23, 2023 10:23:04 GMT
It's a perfectly civil comment. No it isn't. Absolute nonsense. And it serves absolutely nobody's interest to disguise or moderate the language. It can only lead to miscommunication. It is absolutely untrue to say that I think the suggestion the Liberal Democrats could have won Manchester Gorton in a 2017 byelection is wrong. It's untrue because I don't merely consider it wrong. I consider it off the scale wrong. |
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Post by Sandy on May 23, 2023 10:43:14 GMT
Glasgow East possibly if 2017 hadn’t happened?
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Post by johnloony on May 23, 2023 10:51:33 GMT
Labour being delightful, as always, I see. I'm happy to own this as a personal comment. If you think the Lib Dems were going to win the Manchester Gorton byelection-that-wasn't in 2017, you're completely nuts, barking, off your rocker, deluded, crazy, insane and mad. There now. I don’t think that owainsutton thought that the Lib Dems would win the by-election. He merely said that a Lib Dem win was more likely than a George Galloway win. |
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Post by johnloony on May 23, 2023 10:52:06 GMT
It's a perfectly civil comment. No it isn't. Yes it is, and anybody who disagrees is a smelly pile of lizard poo. |
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Post by Sandy on May 23, 2023 10:55:30 GMT
Yes it is, and anybody who disagrees is a smelly pile of lizard poo. I hate to lower the tone, but your head is so far up Boothroyd’s backside that if he stopped walking suddenly it would come out of his mouth. |
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Post by stb12 on May 23, 2023 10:57:32 GMT
Glasgow East possibly if 2017 hadn’t happened? Similar question for Edinburgh West, that would have been a certain Lib Dem gain |
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Post by johnloony on May 23, 2023 11:42:46 GMT
Yes it is, and anybody who disagrees is a smelly pile of lizard poo. I hate to lower the tone, but your head is so far up Boothroyd’s backside that if he stopped walking suddenly it would come out of his mouth. I’m happy to own this as a personal comment. |
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Post by iain on May 23, 2023 12:14:54 GMT
And in any case, when I raised it before, where were the worked through explanations of why it was actually winnable? Where was the explanation for how a seat where Labour was massively miles ahead of the Lib Dems in actual elections that actually happened in May and June 2017 could even possibly have elected a Lib Dem MP? Nowhere at all. One should not be deterred from pointing out when people are deluding themselves. The Lib Dem by-election team thought they were going to win it based on the data they were getting. As to whether that data was accurate, who knows? Given the results in 2015 and 2017 I am sceptical, but the polls were in a very different place before Theresa May called the election, and the Lib Dem by-election machine has a pretty good track record, and the data team have a pretty good record of getting these things right. In any case, it didn't happen, we'll never know, and I for one don't particularly care. |
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Post by carlton43 on May 23, 2023 12:39:49 GMT
Yes it is, and anybody who disagrees is a smelly pile of lizard poo. I believe that there is a defined Forum Protocol forbidding any suggestions of mental defiency, however expressed, but Admin are sorely deficient in having a position on the vital matter of saurian coprolite. |
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Post by No Offence Alan on May 23, 2023 12:53:59 GMT
Why not Worcestershire South for the Liberals in 1974?
(OK I am biased because that's where I lived at the time)
They got to within 12% at the Feb 74 election, and the starting point from 1970 was very similar to Ripon, which the Liberals had gained in 1973.
And Sir Gerald Nabarro would be the very definition of "a hard act to follow".
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Post by Arthur Figgis on May 23, 2023 12:54:49 GMT
What about the Pissflaps Central by-election.
That could have happened if the UK had invaded Germany, and then if Frankfurt had been renamed as the City of Pissflaps, and then if a boundary review had created a constituency of Pissflaps Central, and then if the MP had been embroiled in a scandal, and then if he (m/w/d) chose to stand down due to that scandal, and then if a writ had been moved requiring a by-election, then we'd have a Pissflaps Central by-election.
But that didn't happen. So we don't have one. Shame.
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Post by batman on May 23, 2023 13:09:58 GMT
Yes it is, and anybody who disagrees is a smelly pile of lizard poo. I hate to lower the tone, but your head is so far up Boothroyd’s backside that if he stopped walking suddenly it would come out of his mouth. It would be a major surprise to me if Conservative John's head were any distance at all up Labour David's backside. |
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Post by Sandy on May 23, 2023 13:16:08 GMT
I hate to lower the tone, but your head is so far up Boothroyd’s backside that if he stopped walking suddenly it would come out of his mouth. It would be a major surprise to me if Conservative John's head were any distance at all up Labour David's backside. You don’t pay much attention then. This isn’t the first time he’s white knighted for his bad behaviour. |
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Post by swanarcadian on May 23, 2023 15:44:52 GMT
Newark, 1999 would have been interesting, with it being a marginal seat but with the then Labour government leading the polls by over 20 points. But I saw no reason for the late Fiona Jones to be disqualified before having an opportunity to successfully appeal her conviction.
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Post by batman on May 23, 2023 16:23:16 GMT
It wouldn't have been all that interesting, I'm quite sure the Tories would have gained the seat in the circumstances which would have caused the by-election.
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Post by swanarcadian on May 23, 2023 16:44:34 GMT
It wouldn't have been all that interesting, I'm quite sure the Tories would have gained the seat in the circumstances which would have caused the by-election. I know what you mean, but it might have boosted the Conservatives a bit sooner (a little bit of “stupendous momentum” to phrase Gloy Plopwell of another place). It was a dismal Parliament in terms of both by-election opportunities and poll ratings. We had success in local elections and in the Euro elections but in terms of opinion polls, a few weeks following the fuel protests of September 2000 was our lot in this period. |
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Post by owainsutton on May 23, 2023 17:34:33 GMT
I'm happy to own this as a personal comment. If you think the Lib Dems were going to win the Manchester Gorton byelection-that-wasn't in 2017, you're completely nuts, barking, off your rocker, deluded, crazy, insane and mad. There now. I don’t think that owainsutton thought that the Lib Dems would win the by-election. He merely said that a Lib Dem win was more likely than a George Galloway win. Congratulations on passing Comprehension And Retrieval 101. The rest of you, back to class. |
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Post by owainsutton on May 23, 2023 17:35:51 GMT
And in any case, when I raised it before, where were the worked through explanations of why it was actually winnable? Where was the explanation for how a seat where Labour was massively miles ahead of the Lib Dems in actual elections that actually happened in May and June 2017 could even possibly have elected a Lib Dem MP? Nowhere at all. One should not be deterred from pointing out when people are deluding themselves. The Lib Dem by-election team thought they were going to win it based on the data they were getting. As to whether that data was accurate, who knows? Given the results in 2015 and 2017 I am sceptical, but the polls were in a very different place before Theresa May called the election, and the Lib Dem by-election machine has a pretty good track record, and the data team have a pretty good record of getting these things right. The same data team were still at work in winter 2019, with their "your next prime minister" blizzard of 20+ paid deliveries in laughable targets. (I lost count around that point.) |
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Post by iain on May 23, 2023 17:53:42 GMT
The Lib Dem by-election team thought they were going to win it based on the data they were getting. As to whether that data was accurate, who knows? Given the results in 2015 and 2017 I am sceptical, but the polls were in a very different place before Theresa May called the election, and the Lib Dem by-election machine has a pretty good track record, and the data team have a pretty good record of getting these things right. The same data team were still at work in winter 2019, with their "your next prime minister" blizzard of 20+ paid deliveries in laughable targets. (I lost count around that point.) Ha, no they weren’t. That was half the problem. |
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Post by owainsutton on May 23, 2023 18:03:34 GMT
The same data team were still at work in winter 2019, with their "your next prime minister" blizzard of 20+ paid deliveries in laughable targets. (I lost count around that point.) Ha, no they weren’t. That was half the problem. Wowzers - so what was the other half?! |
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