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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 7, 2023 21:26:26 GMT
I'm not entirely sure a Saturday byelection is lawful, even in a unique authority like Isles of Scilly.
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Post by andrewp on Apr 7, 2023 21:30:53 GMT
I'm not entirely sure a Saturday byelection is lawful, even in a unique authority like Isles of Scilly. I wonder if the council has considered whether it is lawful. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 7, 2023 21:42:22 GMT
Rule 2(1) of the Local Elections (Principal Areas) (England and Wales) Rules states: "In computing any period of time for the purposes of the Timetable ... a Saturday or Sunday ... shall be disregarded, and any such day shall not be treated as a day for the purpose of any proceedings up to the completion of the poll nor shall the returning officer be obliged to proceed with the counting of the votes on such a day."
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Post by andrewp on Apr 7, 2023 22:00:53 GMT
What would happen if the election went ahead and the council broke those rules?
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Apr 7, 2023 22:14:05 GMT
What would happen if the election went ahead and the council broke those rules? They'd look rather Scilly. |
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Post by peterl on Apr 7, 2023 23:25:33 GMT
What would happen if the election went ahead and the council broke those rules? If the result was close enough to be challenged before an election court, the test is whether the breach of the rules of so serious that there in effect has not been a democratic election. The example usually cited is a 19th century case in Hackney in which a number of polling stations were closed for the entire day. Alternatively, the result can be voided if the breach of the rules affected the result. Its difficult to see how it could in this case, unless some local activity held on Saturdays might make it less likely that people would vote compared to a weekday. Bottom line, they probably get away with it. |
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Post by andrewteale on Apr 8, 2023 16:54:59 GMT
What would happen if the election went ahead and the council broke those rules? If the result was close enough to be challenged before an election court, the test is whether the breach of the rules of so serious that there in effect has not been a democratic election. The example usually cited is a 19th century case in Hackney in which a number of polling stations were closed for the entire day. Alternatively, the result can be voided if the breach of the rules affected the result. Its difficult to see how it could in this case, unless some local activity held on Saturdays might make it less likely that people would vote compared to a weekday. Bottom line, they probably get away with it. There was another 19th century case arising from the 1892 general election in East Clare where the RO held the poll too soon. The Court decided this was an honest mistake and pointed out that the losing candidate had not objected at the time. The Local Government Act 1972 has specific provision to cover ROs in situations where extra bank holidays are declared after notice of election has been published. This was necessary for polls which were held shortly after the Queen's funeral last year. |
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Post by listener on Apr 11, 2023 7:44:33 GMT
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 11, 2023 10:29:23 GMT
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Post by uthacalthing on Apr 11, 2023 20:08:52 GMT
At the risk of being ungracious (yes, I know) Geva was once kind enough to offer me lunch in her home. She made home made chicken goujons and they were dreadful.
My other Geva/Food-related story is that we once arranged to meet for lunch in Aberdeen and both had our children in tow. At her suggestion we met in Pizza Hut. My wife was as furious as if I had booked Geva and I into the bridal suite in the Caledonian and ordered oysters and bubbles from room service. My good lady had suggested Pizza Hut the previous week when the kids were at Grandmas for the weekend and I had dismissed it out of hand, idiotically without explaining my reasoning, namely that it was rubbish I wanted to take her somewhere nicer.
So in her mind, I took Geva somewhere that I had not been willing to take her.
Women, eh?
Alternative History, if Geva had given the first speech she wrote when seeking the Tory candidature for WAnK, the very good one that she ran by me and I made only minor alterations to, instead of the crap one she came up with on the drive down from Crathie to Crathes, she might have been a Tory MSP instead of a former SNP councillor
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 12, 2023 18:19:50 GMT
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Post by uthacalthing on Apr 12, 2023 18:26:42 GMT
I really do wish that people would stop opining, particularly in relation to sex crimes, that they had "ruined the victims life". It is a potentially self-fulfilling prophesy that does nothing to help anyone.
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Post by maxque on Apr 12, 2023 23:17:24 GMT
I really do wish that people would stop opining, particularly in relation to sex crimes, that they had "ruined the victims life". It is a potentially self-fulfilling prophesy that does nothing to help anyone. So, the victim isn't allow to reflect on that, after 30 years? |
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Post by jamesdoyle on Apr 13, 2023 7:36:35 GMT
I really do wish that people would stop opining, particularly in relation to sex crimes, that they had "ruined the victims life". It is a potentially self-fulfilling prophesy that does nothing to help anyone. So, the victim isn't allow to reflect on that, after 30 years? Yes, I think she probably has a pretty good idea whether the rapes did or didn't ruin her life. |
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 13, 2023 14:28:49 GMT
When it comes down to it, one of the main reasons for sexual offences being so widely condemned by society is the deleterious effect they often have on the victims.
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Post by uthacalthing on Apr 13, 2023 14:55:15 GMT
I should know better., It is pretty much impossible to have a rational conversation about sexual offenses, it gets emotional immediately.
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 13, 2023 15:05:54 GMT
My previous post was the opposite of emotional, its a statement of fact pretty much.
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Post by uthacalthing on Apr 13, 2023 15:22:36 GMT
It's not the thread to cover this. Some day we may have the thread.
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Post by uthacalthing on Apr 13, 2023 15:26:01 GMT
Yes I do. All elections should be at the weekend. Saturday 9-9 and Sunday 9-6, with the counts taking place that evening at TV Prime Time. No Scilly school closures and a far better spectacle |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 13, 2023 15:52:54 GMT
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