Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 7, 2023 12:54:20 GMT
The incredibly stupid Wikipedia policy on pages referring to individual constituencies often causes mix-ups like this.
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Post by greatkingrat on Feb 7, 2023 13:44:58 GMT
The incredibly stupid Wikipedia policy on pages referring to individual constituencies often causes mix-ups like this. Unless you want a separate article created every time the boundaries change, which would be far more confusing, I'm not sure what's wrong with the way Wikipedia shows this? |
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Post by mattbewilson on Feb 7, 2023 14:32:15 GMT
Buckingham then included Milton Keynes did it not? Of course the candidate may have had something to do with it…! Well, labour polled up to the Max. vote for Harry and Bob to finish the job was the slogan |
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Feb 7, 2023 14:43:30 GMT
The incredibly stupid Wikipedia policy on pages referring to individual constituencies often causes mix-ups like this. Unless you want a separate article created every time the boundaries change, which would be far more confusing, I'm not sure what's wrong with the way Wikipedia shows this? When boundary changes are significant enough, certainly: Newcastle upon Tyne Central would be a case in point and more than once. There's also the issue of insisting that a chance of name means the abolition of a constituency and the creation of a new one: thus having results for the re-named Hereford and South Herefordshire in an entirely separate entirely to Hereford. This might be more convenient (I'm sure it is!) but it does not reflect any version of reality and creates misleading impressions of the sort that can easily lead to serious errors. |
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 7, 2023 15:00:14 GMT
Well, labour polled up to the Max. vote for Harry and Bob to finish the job was the slogan Rather unfortunate slogan in Maxwell's case, in so many ways. |
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Post by aargauer on Feb 7, 2023 16:31:54 GMT
Unless you want a separate article created every time the boundaries change, which would be far more confusing, I'm not sure what's wrong with the way Wikipedia shows this? When boundary changes are significant enough, certainly: Newcastle upon Tyne Central would be a case in point and more than once. There's also the issue of insisting that a chance of name means the abolition of a constituency and the creation of a new one: thus having results for the re-named Hereford and South Herefordshire in an entirely separate entirely to Hereford. This might be more convenient (I'm sure it is!) but it does not reflect any version of reality and creates misleading impressions of the sort that can easily lead to serious errors. Parents house was in Newcastle Central, now its in Newcastle East, and its heading into Newcastle North! |
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Post by greenhert on Feb 7, 2023 21:23:57 GMT
Has Eastleigh been mentioned yet? Labour came close to winning it when it was created in 1955 (and again came close in 1966) and the Liberals/Liberal Democrats did not take one of the top two spots there until 1983. Arguably Eastleigh has gentrified significantly though.
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sirbenjamin
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Post by sirbenjamin on Feb 7, 2023 21:28:10 GMT
The pursuit of any sense of 'permanence' in constituencies is a bit of a fools errand really. Even natural boundaries shift slightly over time, while others are subject to minor redrawing because of shit involving roads and fields and ditches and whathaveyou. Residential buildings come and go and change. People move in and out, and die, and reach the age of majority. And so on.
So the essential makeup of all constituencies is changing all the time.
The Boundary Commission could make things a bit easier by avoiding names that used to refer to substantially different geographic areas and/or creating new names for seats that closely resemble those with established names. But expecting anything sensible or consistent there is always likely to be too big an ask...
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Khunanup
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Post by Khunanup on Feb 7, 2023 21:32:56 GMT
Has Eastleigh been mentioned yet? Labour came close to winning it when it was created in 1955 (and again came close in 1966) and the Liberals/Liberal Democrats did not take one of the top two spots there until 1983. Arguably Eastleigh has gentrified significantly though. Yes. |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Feb 8, 2023 9:33:45 GMT
The incredibly stupid Wikipedia policy on pages referring to individual constituencies often causes mix-ups like this. Though in the case of Maldon, the name was misleading even when the county constituency was created in 1885, as Braintree was already a more important town - it was just a wish to preserve ancient names even though they no longer really represented the areas being referred to. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 8, 2023 19:15:36 GMT
Aylesbury is actually a very good example of *long term* Labour underperformance. Many of the peripheral estates are remarkably grim (overspill showing its age I presume), and the central area inside the ring road is tatty. But there are swathes of new housing on the outskirts now which are perfectly pleasant. Curiously all areas currently vote Liberal Democrat at local elections. I don’t have any evidence, but I suspect that because both the District and Constituency include a large amount of rural territory, there is relatively little incentive to vote Labour (or at all). Still you’d expect some of these decaying estates to elect Labour councillors if they did some campaigning. A very, very strange town. It feels like a number of totally unrelated settlements that have found themselves dumped together. Agree on the tattiness. And there's that odd toy-town village on its edge with an artifical lake. And it produced Marillion, which goes to show how odd it is. |
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Post by bjornhattan on Feb 8, 2023 21:39:58 GMT
Many of the peripheral estates are remarkably grim (overspill showing its age I presume), and the central area inside the ring road is tatty. But there are swathes of new housing on the outskirts now which are perfectly pleasant. Curiously all areas currently vote Liberal Democrat at local elections. I don’t have any evidence, but I suspect that because both the District and Constituency include a large amount of rural territory, there is relatively little incentive to vote Labour (or at all). Still you’d expect some of these decaying estates to elect Labour councillors if they did some campaigning. A very, very strange town. It feels like a number of totally unrelated settlements that have found themselves dumped together. Agree on the tattiness. And there's that odd toy-town village on its edge with an artifical lake. And it produced Marillion, which goes to show how odd it is. It also has an almost comically bleak bus station - the sort that most normal towns would have demolished decades ago. I had the misfortune of passing through many times in my uni days and quite frequently drivers wouldn't even notice you in the dark, which was an issue if you were running for the last service of the night! A surprising number of decent pubs though, and much cheaper than it probably should be considering its surroundings. But then again, it feels weirdly disconnected from just about anywhere else, almost like its own little world... |
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 8, 2023 21:45:11 GMT
A very, very strange town. It feels like a number of totally unrelated settlements that have found themselves dumped together. Agree on the tattiness. And there's that odd toy-town village on its edge with an artifical lake. And it produced Marillion, which goes to show how odd it is. It also has an almost comically bleak bus station - the sort that most normal towns would have demolished decades ago. I had the misfortune of passing through many times in my uni days and quite frequently drivers wouldn't even notice you in the dark, which was an issue if you were running for the last service of the night! A surprising number of decent pubs though, and much cheaper than it probably should be considering its surroundings. But then again, it feels weirdly disconnected from just about anywhere else, almost like its own little world... Ronnie Barker got his start in the acting profession in Aylesbury. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Feb 8, 2023 21:54:37 GMT
It also has an almost comically bleak bus station - the sort that most normal towns would have demolished decades ago. I had the misfortune of passing through many times in my uni days and quite frequently drivers wouldn't even notice you in the dark, which was an issue if you were running for the last service of the night! A surprising number of decent pubs though, and much cheaper than it probably should be considering its surroundings. But then again, it feels weirdly disconnected from just about anywhere else, almost like its own little world... Ronnie Barker got his start in the acting profession in Aylesbury. The bus station might be bleak but the worst building in Aylesbury is Buckinghamshire County Hall, a brutalist eyesore designed by then county architect Fred Pooley. One of the few architects worse than Richard Seifert.  |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 8, 2023 22:05:02 GMT
The second-worst is the Blue Leanie, which used to belong to HBOS. A grim place to work in.
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 8, 2023 22:06:43 GMT
The second-worst is the Blue Leanie, which used to belong to HBOS. A grim place to work in. works as a piece of giant modernist sculpture |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Feb 8, 2023 22:08:08 GMT
The second-worst is the Blue Leanie, which used to belong to HBOS. A grim place to work in. works as a piece of giant modernist sculpture Not if you're in it! On a related note, Stockport's glass pyramid was meant to be one of a series of glass pyramids with a glass sphinx. |
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 8, 2023 22:13:52 GMT
works as a piece of giant modernist sculpture Not if you're in it! On a related note, Stockport's glass pyramid was meant to be one of a series of glass pyramids with a glass sphinx. Well if it was a sculpture you wouldn't be in it! Unless you'd been very bad.
Some people consider it to be a ziggurat rather than a pyramid  Bankrupted the developers and oversaw the near collapse of the Co Op bank too. The gods were clearly angry.
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 8, 2023 22:16:19 GMT
Ronnie Barker got his start in the acting profession in Aylesbury. The bus station might be bleak but the worst building in Aylesbury is Buckinghamshire County Hall, a brutalist eyesore designed by then county architect Fred Pooley. One of the few architects worse than Richard Seifert. Who moved on to the GLC... |
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mrtoad
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Post by mrtoad on Feb 9, 2023 13:54:17 GMT
I agree re a lot of the southern towns mentioned - e.g. Aldershot, Gosport, Aylesbury, Salisbury. In the Midlands I'd add Hereford - it's quite working class, and although the constituency has a rural section it's not that much more of an ask than Shrewsbury. In some of these places Labour came fairly close in the 1966 election but then the vote disappeared rapidly between then and 1974, the Liberals sometimes taking second place; those aside, a lot of the underperforming seats relative to their demographics that you get in a residuals analysis of the 1970 election are fairly similar to the set you would have now.
A couple of other nominations - sorry if people have raised them already - Lab has never been much of a threat in Maidstone, and it's not just that the boundaries are adverse; Epping Forest is on the tube and demographically fairly London, but Lab has gone backwards over the long term. Nearly won Chigwell in 1955 but miles behind later and now the local government base has disappeared.
There's a related category of constituency where Lab can win in good elections but which swing away dramatically in bad elections - Cannock, Harlow, Amber Valley/ Belper. Inconsistency rather than constant underperformance, but suggests a Lab vote weaker than it should be.
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Bankrupted the developers and oversaw the near collapse of the Co Op bank too. The gods were clearly angry. 