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Post by greenchristian on Dec 23, 2022 15:49:45 GMT
This is not a sentiment I share. I value the Blue Room and would oppose either it's abolition or an attempt to open it up to non-right of centre people. There are areas around philosophy and contemporary politics that benefit from not having sarky partisan comments from other parties or those posters who are hysterical at even the slightest conservative opinion. For those of us who aren’t in a room so don’t know what we are missing, what sort of conversation goes on in the party rooms? Without knowing that, it’s difficult to know if existing ones are needed/ a new one is needed? Discussion in the Green room is mostly about psephology from the perspective of the Green parties (e.g. analysing where we did well or badly in a set of local elections). There's also some discussion of internal party matters for both GPEW and SGP (we don't have any active GPNI members) and more general topics likely to be of particular interest to Greens. I'd expect us to be the quietest of the current rooms simply because of numbers (though I'm told that the old UKIP room was very rarely used for most of its existence, and at their peak they probably had more forum members than we did). Whilst I shouldn't have any say on whether the non-aligneds should have a party room it seems unlikely that such a room would look anything like ours does. |
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Post by batman on Dec 23, 2022 16:35:32 GMT
This is not a sentiment I share. I value the Blue Room and would oppose either it's abolition or an attempt to open it up to non-right of centre people. There are areas around philosophy and contemporary politics that benefit from not having sarky partisan comments from other parties or those posters who are hysterical at even the slightest conservative opinion. For those of us who aren’t in a room so don’t know what we are missing, what sort of conversation goes on in the party rooms? Without knowing that, it’s difficult to know if existing ones are needed/ a new one is needed? we just talk about what a terrible person andrewp is - OK not really. In the red room we deal with a variety of topics, ranging from talking about recent campaigning, our views on how our own party is going and occasional gripes about some other contributors (not you though) |
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Post by batman on Dec 23, 2022 16:37:00 GMT
As a relatively new user here I’m not sure how to vote thanks to having no idea which rooms already exist– the FAQ doesn’t shine any light on this! In our Forum Father's house there are many Mansions. The Blue Roomites love that it is so. The Red Roomites despair that the inequality permits such abominations as mansions at all. The Yellow Roomites are eagerly designing and refining a 'Mansion Tax' that they will never be able to deliver, but enjoying themselves. Other dusty largely unused mansions are availble and stand gaunt, unloved and in disrepair! on the contrary, many mansion flats are rented from local authorities (including some in central Hammersmith for example), and we are I'm sure very happy that this should be the case |
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Post by carlton43 on Dec 23, 2022 17:15:47 GMT
In our Forum Father's house there are many Mansions. The Blue Roomites love that it is so. The Red Roomites despair that the inequality permits such abominations as mansions at all. The Yellow Roomites are eagerly designing and refining a 'Mansion Tax' that they will never be able to deliver, but enjoying themselves. Other dusty largely unused mansions are availble and stand gaunt, unloved and in disrepair! on the contrary, many mansion flats are rented from local authorities (including some in central Hammersmith for example), and we are I'm sure very happy that this should be the case It's your Christmas!! Don't take life so seriously. |
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Post by mrsir on Dec 23, 2022 19:03:50 GMT
The Blue Room is the most active. In the past that was certainly true of the Labour room, but yes we have quietened down a bit in the past few years. Which, if anything, shows how this forum does mirror wider political trends to some extent. (though I will also say that even during the worst of the 2015-20 period, "our" room remained generally civil with only the odd outbreak of unpleasantness) There is no unpleasantness in the right of centre room. |
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Post by batman on Dec 23, 2022 20:18:58 GMT
on the contrary, many mansion flats are rented from local authorities (including some in central Hammersmith for example), and we are I'm sure very happy that this should be the case It's your Christmas!! Don't take life so seriously. it is Christmas, and also Chanukkah. And I wasn't being that serious. Just a bit pompous. |
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Post by mrpastelito on Dec 23, 2022 22:37:38 GMT
You could have an "anti-party" room for people who actively reject the idea of political parties or the options currently available to them. That would at least have a common ideological thread binding them even if it would still be politically diverse That would be the Independent room then? I for one don't need one. |
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Post by finsobruce on Dec 23, 2022 22:52:38 GMT
In the past that was certainly true of the Labour room, but yes we have quietened down a bit in the past few years. Which, if anything, shows how this forum does mirror wider political trends to some extent. (though I will also say that even during the worst of the 2015-20 period, "our" room remained generally civil with only the odd outbreak of unpleasantness) There is no unpleasantness in the right of centre room. What do you call it there then?  |
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Post by clyde1998 on Dec 23, 2022 23:45:34 GMT
For those of us who aren’t in a room so don’t know what we are missing, what sort of conversation goes on in the party rooms? Without knowing that, it’s difficult to know if existing ones are needed/ a new one is needed? Discussion in the Green room is mostly about psephology from the perspective of the Green parties (e.g. analysing where we did well or badly in a set of local elections). There's also some discussion of internal party matters for both GPEW and SGP (we don't have any active GPNI members) and more general topics likely to be of particular interest to Greens. I'd expect us to be the quietest of the current rooms simply because of numbers (though I'm told that the old UKIP room was very rarely used for most of its existence, and at their peak they probably had more forum members than we did). Whilst I shouldn't have any say on whether the non-aligneds should have a party room it seems unlikely that such a room would look anything like ours does. I'm in both the Green and nationalist/regionalist rooms - the nationalist/regionalist room (SNP/Plaid/Mebyon Kernow/Yorkshire First/Ein Gwlad) makes the Green room look like rush hour in central London; there's been three posts in the past fifteen months and two of them were by me. I think there are only 21 who can post in the room though, with only twelve who've been online this year (compared to about 31 and sixteen respectively for the Green room). I'd be happy to have non-partisan independence (or devo max) supporters allocated to that room if they want to be. |
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Post by mrpastelito on Dec 24, 2022 14:24:57 GMT
Discussion in the Green room is mostly about psephology from the perspective of the Green parties (e.g. analysing where we did well or badly in a set of local elections). There's also some discussion of internal party matters for both GPEW and SGP (we don't have any active GPNI members) and more general topics likely to be of particular interest to Greens. I'd expect us to be the quietest of the current rooms simply because of numbers (though I'm told that the old UKIP room was very rarely used for most of its existence, and at their peak they probably had more forum members than we did). Whilst I shouldn't have any say on whether the non-aligneds should have a party room it seems unlikely that such a room would look anything like ours does. I'm in both the Green and nationalist/regionalist rooms - the nationalist/regionalist room (SNP/Plaid/Mebyon Kernow/Yorkshire First/Ein Gwlad) makes the Green room look like rush hour in central London; there's been three posts in the past fifteen months and two of them were by me. I think there are only 21 who can post in the room though, with only twelve who've been online this year (compared to about 31 and sixteen respectively for the Green room). I'd be happy to have non-partisan independence (or devo max) supporters allocated to that room if they want to be.
That's interesting in the sense that I wasn't even aware such a room existed.
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Post by frankyank on Dec 24, 2022 14:42:53 GMT
I see no need for such a room. Although I am curious, although possibly unwelcome, to see what is in the various aligned rooms.
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Post by woollyliberal on Dec 24, 2022 22:50:06 GMT
In a Venn diagram of people who don't align to a political party and people who frequent a political discussion website, what proportion of people fit into the Both category? Now add to that my suspicion that most people who don't align with one party probably only switch between two parties. How much in common would there be between a Green-SNP switcher, a Con-Reform switcher and a Lab-LD switcher? Or for that matter a Lab-Con red wall switcher and a Con-LD blue wall switcher etc? Now add to that the probability that most people on here listed as non-aligned have probably just not chosen an alignment yet, or a choosing not to out themselves. How much use would a non-aligned "room" be?
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Post by right on Dec 29, 2022 9:03:03 GMT
"Right of the Conservatives" and "Left of Labour" rooms might be interesting although they could attract more extreme posters to the forum. They might also be horrendous to maintain if they get as factional as they can in real life. I think it would rather ruin the blue room vibe, but perhaps that can't last forever anyway.
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Post by right on Dec 29, 2022 9:06:19 GMT
In the past that was certainly true of the Labour room, but yes we have quietened down a bit in the past few years. Which, if anything, shows how this forum does mirror wider political trends to some extent. (though I will also say that even during the worst of the 2015-20 period, "our" room remained generally civil with only the odd outbreak of unpleasantness) There is no unpleasantness in the right of centre room. Oddly the unpleasantness among nmembers seems to be reserved for more public parts of the forum, which is the opposite of the traditional Tory behaviour |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Dec 29, 2022 9:28:17 GMT
There is no unpleasantness in the right of centre room. Oddly the unpleasantness among nmembers seems to be reserved for more public parts of the forum, which is the opposite of the traditional Tory behaviour So reflects modern politics where the Tories don't stand for traditional behaviours of any kind. |
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Post by carlton43 on Dec 29, 2022 11:06:39 GMT
"Right of the Conservatives" and "Left of Labour" rooms might be interesting although they could attract more extreme posters to the forum. They might also be horrendous to maintain if they get as factional as they can in real life. I think it would rather ruin the blue room vibe, but perhaps that can't last forever anyway. I don't see a need for such extra rooms, nor do I see much harm in them either. I don't think any new room is likely to have more activity or to serve a better purpose than this Blue Room? I don't see a 'Hard Right Room' being known to outsiders, and therefore it cannot be an 'attraction' to the 'wrong sort' of new member. It would only be able to recruit by personal private introduction and suggestion by existing members, 'in the know', and trying to expand a faction. This would seem to be a low level worry and one for the left rather than the right anyway? |
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Post by matureleft on Dec 29, 2022 11:10:16 GMT
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Post by sirbenjamin on Dec 29, 2022 23:34:49 GMT
I worry that there would be an outflux of non-aligned posters from the IFP room.
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Dec 30, 2022 0:50:16 GMT
For those of us who aren’t in a room so don’t know what we are missing, what sort of conversation goes on in the party rooms? Without knowing that, it’s difficult to know if existing ones are needed/ a new one is needed? we just talk about what a terrible person andrewp is - OK not really. In the red room we deal with a variety of topics, ranging from talking about recent campaigning, our views on how our own party is going and occasional gripes about some other contributors (not you though) I'd be pretty confident that your gripe thread would focus on the more trenchant blue posters. If I'm not mentioned, I'd be disappointed, to be honest. But that is the problem with a Non-Aligned room: are they going to post gripes about one another? Maybe that's already why some of the smaller rooms are so quiet... |
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Post by minionofmidas on Jan 8, 2023 11:57:09 GMT
Discussion in the Green room is mostly about psephology from the perspective of the Green parties (e.g. analysing where we did well or badly in a set of local elections). There's also some discussion of internal party matters for both GPEW and SGP (we don't have any active GPNI members) and more general topics likely to be of particular interest to Greens. I'd expect us to be the quietest of the current rooms simply because of numbers (though I'm told that the old UKIP room was very rarely used for most of its existence, and at their peak they probably had more forum members than we did). Whilst I shouldn't have any say on whether the non-aligneds should have a party room it seems unlikely that such a room would look anything like ours does. I'm in both the Green and nationalist/regionalist rooms - the nationalist/regionalist room (SNP/Plaid/Mebyon Kernow/Yorkshire First/Ein Gwlad) makes the Green room look like rush hour in central London; there's been three posts in the past fifteen months and two of them were by me. I think there are only 21 who can post in the room though, with only twelve who've been online this year (compared to about 31 and sixteen respectively for the Green room). I'd be happy to have non-partisan independence (or devo max) supporters allocated to that room if they want to be. No need if there's been just three posts in the past 15 months! |
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