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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2022 8:50:37 GMT
Well obviously anyone with an ounce of sense would vote for me, but not many people have an ounce of sense, that’s the problem.
More seriously, Sadiq Khan will win re-election but he’ll continue to underwhelm people and struggle to establish a legacy. That is in part due to following on from two much more charismatic, identifiable figures.
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Post by eastmidlandsright on Dec 29, 2022 18:19:53 GMT
Well obviously anyone with an ounce of sense would vote for me, but not many people have an ounce of sense, that’s the problem. More seriously, Sadiq Khan will win re-election but he’ll continue to underwhelm people and struggle to establish a legacy. That is in part due to following on from two much more charismatic, identifiable figures. What legacy did Livingstone and Johnson leave? Reality is the position, while high profile, has little real power.
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Post by mattbewilson on Dec 29, 2022 18:47:29 GMT
Well obviously anyone with an ounce of sense would vote for me, but not many people have an ounce of sense, that’s the problem. More seriously, Sadiq Khan will win re-election but he’ll continue to underwhelm people and struggle to establish a legacy. That is in part due to following on from two much more charismatic, identifiable figures. What legacy did Livingstone and Johnson leave? Reality is the position, while high profile, has little real power. TfL? Boris bikes? London Games?
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Post by owainsutton on Dec 29, 2022 19:22:33 GMT
What legacy did Livingstone and Johnson leave? Reality is the position, while high profile, has little real power. TfL? Boris bikes? London Games? All of them have been involved in the delivery of Crossrail, too. (Which everyone now regards as a great thing, just as with all major transport projects *after* completion.) Congestion charge is something else, too, very controversial at the time but now just accepted as the norm. "Did they leave a legacy?" is what feeds into Garden Bridge ego-trips. Not every big impact on the public good is measurable in arbitrary electoral cycles. Also, Boris Bikes had their origins under Livingstone.
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Post by mattbewilson on Dec 29, 2022 19:46:40 GMT
TfL? Boris bikes? London Games? All of them have been involved in the delivery of Crossrail, too. (Which everyone now regards as a great thing, just as with all major transport projects *after* completion.) Congestion charge is something else, too, very controversial at the time but now just accepted as the norm. "Did they leave a legacy?" is what feeds into Garden Bridge ego-trips. Not every big impact on the public good is measurable in arbitrary electoral cycles. Also, Boris Bikes had their origins under Livingstone. I was aware Boris bikes wasn't Boris but still relevant to point
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Post by redvers on Dec 29, 2022 20:14:18 GMT
he would be a stronger candidate than Shaun Bailey, but he would have to vacate his parliamentary seat & cause a by-election........ I actually doubt he would be a stronger candidate. As is Trump's curse, there's a resolute number of voters in polls who say they would never vote for Johnson under any circumstance. This is sure to be even larger as a share in somewhere like London. When such a huge swath of the electorate is dead-set against you right from the word go, I'm not sure how that's the basis for a Tory winnable campaign in somewhere like London.
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Post by heslingtonian on Dec 29, 2022 20:43:47 GMT
Livingstone has a huge legacy - Congestion Charge, Crossrail, Bikes, 2012 Olympics, Shard and Gherkin, establishing the role etc. Johnson was mostly about overseeing the less controversial bits of Livingstone's legacy and in fairness he did a reasonable job (far better than in his various Westminster roles). Johnson also did a decent job on reducing deaths from knife crime.
Khan in contrast, has made very little impact and is a far less significant figure than either of his predecessors. He has been fortunate to land the role at a time when his Party has a virtual lock on politics in the Capital. I'm sorry that Tessa Jowell didn't get the chance to be Mayor as in her prime she would have been very capable.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2022 21:36:14 GMT
Livingstone has a huge legacy - Congestion Charge, Crossrail, Bikes, 2012 Olympics, Shard and Gherkin, establishing the role etc. Johnson was mostly about overseeing the less controversial bits of Livingstone's legacy and in fairness he did a reasonable job (far better than in his various Westminster roles). Johnson also did a decent job on reducing deaths from knife crime. Khan in contrast, has made very little impact and is a far less significant figure than either of his predecessors. He has been fortunate to land the role at a time when his Party has a virtual lock on politics in the Capital. I'm sorry that Tessa Jowell didn't get the chance to be Mayor as in her prime she would have been very capable. Yes and I would also note how Boris successfully used the mayoralty to nurture, maintain and promote his position within the party and amongst the wider electorate, with all the huge consequences that entailed for us. Sadiq Khan on the other hand is just… meh.
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Post by carlton43 on Dec 29, 2022 22:44:01 GMT
Livingstone has a huge legacy - Congestion Charge, Crossrail, Bikes, 2012 Olympics, Shard and Gherkin, establishing the role etc. Johnson was mostly about overseeing the less controversial bits of Livingstone's legacy and in fairness he did a reasonable job (far better than in his various Westminster roles). Johnson also did a decent job on reducing deaths from knife crime. Khan in contrast, has made very little impact and is a far less significant figure than either of his predecessors. He has been fortunate to land the role at a time when his Party has a virtual lock on politics in the Capital. I'm sorry that Tessa Jowell didn't get the chance to be Mayor as in her prime she would have been very capable. Errrmm! I think that one or two other architects, engineers, sponsors, fund providers, politicians and negotiators might just have had some small, slight input to :- Crossrail 2012 Olympics Shard and Gherkin ??
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Post by neilm on Jan 1, 2023 9:57:26 GMT
Livingstone had almost zero impact on the Gherkin, I thought. My cousin is a civil engineer who at that point was working for a firm contracted to Foster and Partners who designed the previous proposal, the Millennium Tower. He was quite excited to be part of the design process because there aren't many newly qualified people who get to work on something so massive. When that didn't get off the ground thanks to objections from Heathrow, they went back the drawing board and he worked with a group designing steels for the new proposal. I remember him saying that Prescott had granted permission for the new design around the time Livingstone was elected: I don't know if Red Ken had commented in public about the design but I'd be willing to bet that he did. It was the original design, which would have been the tallest building in Europe, that was 'the erotic gherkin' (which was a bloody stupid nickname) and had an unusual design although the current building looks far more like one. Where Livingstone may have had an impact is on rules around building size and protecting the view around St Pauls which came out as a consequence of 30 St Mary Axe: Davıd Boothroyd will know more about that.
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 1, 2023 12:17:57 GMT
I'm sorry that Tessa Jowell didn't get the chance to be Mayor as in her prime she would have been very capable As it was, she developed terminal cancer not long after (to the surprise of quite a few) losing the 2015 ballot to be Labour's candidate. (and its amusing in retrospect how Khan was talked up by some - including certain Labour right factionalists - as some sort of dangerous left winger back then)
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Post by batman on Jan 1, 2023 13:53:32 GMT
Livingstone has a huge legacy - Congestion Charge, Crossrail, Bikes, 2012 Olympics, Shard and Gherkin, establishing the role etc. Johnson was mostly about overseeing the less controversial bits of Livingstone's legacy and in fairness he did a reasonable job (far better than in his various Westminster roles). Johnson also did a decent job on reducing deaths from knife crime. Khan in contrast, has made very little impact and is a far less significant figure than either of his predecessors. He has been fortunate to land the role at a time when his Party has a virtual lock on politics in the Capital. I'm sorry that Tessa Jowell didn't get the chance to be Mayor as in her prime she would have been very capable. Tessa Jowell came to speak to us in Richmond Park constituency when she was running for the Labour nomination for Mayor. While she certainly didn't come over as dislikeable, her pitch was pretty unconvincing to most of us present. I did like her when I had the chance to canvass with her at roughly the same time, with me holding the board & her, as well as Ruth Cadbury who was the candidate & other party activists, knocking on the doors.
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Post by batman on Jan 1, 2023 13:54:57 GMT
Livingstone had almost zero impact on the Gherkin, I thought. My cousin is a civil engineer who at that point was working for a firm contracted to Foster and Partners who designed the previous proposal, the Millennium Tower. He was quite excited to be part of the design process because there aren't many newly qualified people who get to work on something so massive. When that didn't get off the ground thanks to objections from Heathrow, they went back the drawing board and he worked with a group designing steels for the new proposal. I remember him saying that Prescott had granted permission for the new design around the time Livingstone was elected: I don't know if Red Ken had commented in public about the design but I'd be willing to bet that he did. It was the original design, which would have been the tallest building in Europe, that was 'the erotic gherkin' (which was a bloody stupid nickname) and had an unusual design although the current building looks far more like one. Where Livingstone may have had an impact is on rules around building size and protecting the view around St Pauls which came out as a consequence of 30 St Mary Axe: Davıd Boothroyd will know more about that. he certainly can take a lot of credit for the fact that you can still see from Richmond Park right into the City of London & beyond
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Post by stb12 on Jan 1, 2023 18:41:07 GMT
I'm sorry that Tessa Jowell didn't get the chance to be Mayor as in her prime she would have been very capable As it was, she developed terminal cancer not long after (to the surprise of quite a few) losing the 2015 ballot to be Labour's candidate. (and its amusing in retrospect how Khan was talked up by some - including certain Labour right factionalists - as some sort of dangerous left winger back then) If I remember right Khan's selection was seen as part of the shift to the left, but I suppose if it had been a case of a Corbyn equivalent Dianne Abbott would have won
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Post by mattbewilson on Jan 1, 2023 19:18:26 GMT
I think at the time Khan's victory was believed to be because the ballot was held at the same time as the leadership election. Pretty much all the candidates nominated Corbyn including Gareth Thomas who must really regret that decision more than most given his politics is very much the opposite of Corbyn. Tessa obviously didn't not being an MP
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Post by sirbenjamin on Jan 1, 2023 21:09:00 GMT
I'm sorry that Tessa Jowell didn't get the chance to be Mayor as in her prime she would have been very capable As it was, she developed terminal cancer not long after (to the surprise of quite a few) losing the 2015 ballot to be Labour's candidate. (and its amusing in retrospect how Khan was talked up by some - including certain Labour right factionalists - as some sort of dangerous left winger back then) I think it was less Sadiq and more some of the people he surrounded himself with. Certainly his Tooting campaign team wasn't short of radical elements and presumably those who didn't jump ship to Lutfur Rahman stuck around for at least his first mayoral campaign.
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Post by elinorhelyn on Jan 1, 2023 21:20:43 GMT
The thing about Corbyn situation is that Corbyn is a much more of a Labour loyalist than his ardent supporters who want him to run as an Independant, those of whom may have joined the party after 2015.
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Post by mattbewilson on Jan 2, 2023 0:27:46 GMT
The thing about Corbyn situation is that Corbyn is a much more of a Labour loyalist than his ardent supporters who want him to run as an Independant, those of whom may have joined the party after 2015. that does seem to be a problem with the labour party atm. There is a significant cohort that either joined in 2015 having previously voted against the labour party or joined in 2020 having previously voted against the labour party. I couldn't say for sure but I'd guess that the party membership does lean toward a group of people whether on the right or left who aren't steeped in the party in the way many members were
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Post by owainsutton on Jan 6, 2023 17:51:10 GMT
The Green selection is confirmed as as three-way contest. Those already mentioned joined by Scott Ainslie, Lambeth cllr with a brief stint as an MEP.
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 9, 2023 13:29:09 GMT
Khan's achievements have been stymied by a government that has been consistently hostile to him, to a much greater extent than was the case 2008-2010. With the limited powers of the role, there's only so much that can be done when there's an uneasy cohabitation. That said, it's not clear that he necessarily has a vision for the 2024-2028 term that's ready to go straight away with a supportive government and without that it's unlikely much will have been implemented by 2028.
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