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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Sept 27, 2022 6:40:28 GMT
Dunno. I will go and look it up Surely the Deutsch-Hannoversche Partei With maybe a consideration for the Reich Party for Civil Rights and Deflation? |
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Post by iain on Sept 27, 2022 8:43:01 GMT
The centre-left coalition won 13 FPTP seats out of 147 in the House: Emilia-Romagna - U03 (Reggio nell’Emilia) PDEmilia-Romagna - U05 (Imola) Greens & Left AllianceEmilia-Romagna - U06 (Bologna) PDEmilia-Romagna - U07 (Carpi) PDLazio 1 - U01 (Roma : Municipio i) PDLazio 1 - U04 (Roma : Municipio Vii) PDLiguria - U03 (Genova : Municipio i - Centro Est) PD / èVivaLombardia 1 - U07 (Milano : Nil 20 - Loreto) Civic CommitmentLombardia 1 - U09 (Milano : Nil 21 - Buones Aires - Venezia) +EuropaPiemonte 1 - U01 (Torino : Circoscrizione 2 - Santa Rita - Mirafiori Nord - Mirafiori Sud) +EuropaToscana - U07 (Firenze) PDToscana - U08 (Scandicci) PDVallée d'Aoste VdAWere there notional results from last time? I assume all these would be holds, with a couple of losses to the right? |
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Post by aargauer on Sept 27, 2022 8:53:16 GMT
Sort of the reverse Corbyns. Jeremy only qualifies as hard left with grudgingly working within the system, and Piers with his extremely outlandish theories and behaviour just about makes into far left. Piers has stopped being 'left' at all - he has moved towards the sort of conspiratorial thinking where ideology is irrelevant I know what you mean. There's not much difference between his behaviour and QAnon types. |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Sept 27, 2022 9:51:44 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63029909Italy's first woman PM. Wrong sort of woman, obviously. How can you be the far right when you have just won an election? By definition, you are mainstream. It's just that the BBC despises the mainstream It's high time that the term "far right" was retired by the mainstream media. It has lost all meaning and serves only as comment, not news. The image it conjures up of Meloni being some sort of skinhead who is going to march on Rome with some kind of amateur army tribute act does not actually match her or her coalition partners' policy platform. |
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Post by aargauer on Sept 27, 2022 10:07:20 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63029909Italy's first woman PM. Wrong sort of woman, obviously. How can you be the far right when you have just won an election? By definition, you are mainstream. It's just that the BBC despises the mainstream It's high time that the term "far right" was retired by the mainstream media. It has lost all meaning and serves only as comment, not news. The image it conjures up of Meloni being some sort of skinhead who is going to march on Rome with some kind of amateur army tribute act does not actually match her or her coalition partners' policy platform. I'm tempted to make a formal complaint. I don't support her particular policy mix, but its just biased reporting. The term is liberally used to refer to non-violent parties that attract big shares of the vote and don't "send people home" or the like, but the term far-left is almost never used outside really out there micro-parties. They've even used it for the SVP in Switzerland (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-15358955), which attracts c. 50% of rural Swiss-German vote, which is absolutely ridiculous and indefensible. Even "hard right" is pushing it for them. They have a hard right wing, and a centre-right wing. Equivalent to say the rightmost 3/4 of the UK Conservative Party. Certainly more moderate than Jeremy Corbyn, who was not described as "far left". |
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Post by chorleyboy on Sept 27, 2022 10:23:47 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63029909Italy's first woman PM. Wrong sort of woman, obviously. How can you be the far right when you have just won an election? By definition, you are mainstream. It's just that the BBC despises the mainstream It's high time that the term "far right" was retired by the mainstream media. It has lost all meaning and serves only as comment, not news. The image it conjures up of Meloni being some sort of skinhead who is going to march on Rome with some kind of amateur army tribute act does not actually match her or her coalition partners' policy platform. It is such a broad term that seems to encompass anyone from Jacob Rees Mogg through to Farage to Hitler. |
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Post by rcronald on Sept 27, 2022 10:39:27 GMT
It's high time that the term "far right" was retired by the mainstream media. It has lost all meaning and serves only as comment, not news. The image it conjures up of Meloni being some sort of skinhead who is going to march on Rome with some kind of amateur army tribute act does not actually match her or her coalition partners' policy platform. I'm tempted to make a formal complaint. I don't support her particular policy mix, but its just biased reporting. The term is liberally used to refer to non-violent parties that attract big shares of the vote and don't "send people home" or the like, but the term far-left is almost never used outside really out there micro-parties. They've even used it for the SVP in Switzerland (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-15358955), which attracts c. 50% of rural Swiss-German vote, which is absolutely ridiculous and indefensible. Even "hard right" is pushing it for them. They have a hard right wing, and a centre-right wing. Equivalent to say the rightmost 3/4 of the UK Conservative Party. Certainly more moderate than Jeremy Corbyn, who was not described as "far left". In this day and age, every right wing leader with bollocks and a spine is described as far right by the media. |
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Sept 27, 2022 11:21:25 GMT
I'm tempted to make a formal complaint. I don't support her particular policy mix, but its just biased reporting. The term is liberally used to refer to non-violent parties that attract big shares of the vote and don't "send people home" or the like, but the term far-left is almost never used outside really out there micro-parties. They've even used it for the SVP in Switzerland (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-15358955), which attracts c. 50% of rural Swiss-German vote, which is absolutely ridiculous and indefensible. Even "hard right" is pushing it for them. They have a hard right wing, and a centre-right wing. Equivalent to say the rightmost 3/4 of the UK Conservative Party. Certainly more moderate than Jeremy Corbyn, who was not described as "far left". In this day and age, every right wing leader with bollocks and a spine is described as far right by the media. Or with a vulva and a spine in this case... |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Sept 27, 2022 11:53:46 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-63029909Italy's first woman PM. Wrong sort of woman, obviously. How can you be the far right when you have just won an election? By definition, you are mainstream. It's just that the BBC despises the mainstream It's high time that the term "far right" was retired by the mainstream media. It has lost all meaning and serves only as comment, not news. The image it conjures up of Meloni being some sort of skinhead who is going to march on Rome with some kind of amateur army tribute act does not actually match her or her coalition partners' policy platform. Some of the coverage makes one worry about a likely invasion of Abyssinia. |
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Post by ilerda on Sept 27, 2022 12:08:38 GMT
Did FdI win the plurality of centre-right votes for the proportional element in every single-member constituency? I'm presuming the PD was the largest centre-left party everywhere, but not sure if there were any areas where LN or FI managed to beat FdI.
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 27, 2022 12:31:23 GMT
Generally, much of the media are describing Meloni's party as "far right" because its main predecessor was an actual full-fat fascist party. That's it, basically. No nefarious left-liberal "conspiracy". Have some of the right wingers on here just discovered that mainstream media reporting often isn't totally accurate? Welcome to the club  |
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Post by aargauer on Sept 27, 2022 12:49:52 GMT
Generally, much of the media are describing Meloni's party as "far right" because its main predecessor was an actual full-fat fascist party. That's it, basically. No nefarious left-liberal "conspiracy". Have some of the right wingers on here just discovered that mainstream media reporting often isn't totally accurate? Welcome to the club And Der Flugel are a wing of a party that was originally pretty centrist. And they are far right (or at a minimum on the hard end of the hard right). So origins can matter, but aren't decisive. I don't really mind if the Mail or the Guardian or whoever are inaccurate. The BBC are publicly funded though. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Sept 27, 2022 12:49:55 GMT
Generally, much of the media are describing Meloni's party as "far right" because its main predecessor was an actual full-fat fascist party. That's it, basically. No nefarious left-liberal "conspiracy". Have some of the right wingers on here just discovered that mainstream media reporting often isn't totally accurate? Welcome to the club The main predecessor of the PD was the Italian Communist Party yet they don't get described as 'far-left' (correctly, because they obviously aren't) |
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Post by andrea on Sept 27, 2022 12:51:56 GMT
La Lollo polled 1.07%
Bossi wasn't re-elected.
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 27, 2022 12:54:30 GMT
Generally, much of the media are describing Meloni's party as "far right" because its main predecessor was an actual full-fat fascist party. That's it, basically. No nefarious left-liberal "conspiracy". Have some of the right wingers on here just discovered that mainstream media reporting often isn't totally accurate? Welcome to the club The main predecessor of the PD was the Italian Communist Party yet they don't get described as 'far-left' (correctly, because they obviously aren't) Sure - I'm just saying why they have done it, not that they are correct to do so. |
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Post by ilerda on Sept 27, 2022 13:19:16 GMT
Did FdI win the plurality of centre-right votes for the proportional element in every single-member constituency? I'm presuming the PD was the largest centre-left party everywhere, but not sure if there were any areas where LN or FI managed to beat FdI. It's more likely to be the other way round. FdI winning everywhere when their coalition was ahead but Five Star were very strong in the Naples area. Haven't checked though. Sorry I meant in terms of the official centre-left coalition, rather than just all parties of the centre and/or left. But yes I got the impression FdI did beat their coalition partners everywhere. |
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 27, 2022 13:20:21 GMT
There are no bias issue here, simply a degree of confusion caused by a limited choice of descriptive terms due to the BBCs aversion to the use of the 'f' word. It would be wrong to imply that FdI are an ordinary conservative party in any sense (they are certainly no such thing, though Italy has never had such a party and presumably never will) and so they cannot be described in the way that the BBC usually describes such parties, and their roots in the fascist tradition are open, acknowledged and not in any sense played down: they continue to use the old MSI tricolour flame in their logo and so on. So, what do you reasonably describe them as? But I would say that the real confusion stems from the fact that Lega, who do not have fascist roots, are a more extreme party than the FdI. It's pretty clear that the 'postfascist' label is the best one, and it helps that the equivalent term 'postcommunist' has a long history of being used in both Italy (though the present PDs are also the legal successors to the DC, which is why you don't see the term so much now) and Eastern Europe. And there can be no reasonable squeamishness about its use as the FdI has hardly disavowed its roots.
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Post by rcronald on Sept 27, 2022 13:33:16 GMT
Generally, much of the media are describing Meloni's party as "far right" because its main predecessor was an actual full-fat fascist party. That's it, basically. No nefarious left-liberal "conspiracy". Have some of the right wingers on here just discovered that mainstream media reporting often isn't totally accurate? Welcome to the club *Its predecessor’s predecessor |
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Post by andrea on Sept 27, 2022 13:34:59 GMT
, ahough the present PDs are also the legal successors to the DC, which is why you don't see the term so much now) and Eastern Europe.. the post-cattocommunists |
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Post by rcronald on Sept 27, 2022 13:40:16 GMT
Btw, the most delusional “far right”/“fascist” takes I have ever seem are usually in comment section of various WaPo articles.
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