Georg Ebner
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 26, 2022 5:59:41 GMT
Looks like Sud Chiama Nord won Messina. Was that expected in any way? No, have never heard that to be a possibility. The imPact of the regioanl election was obviously underestimated. |
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Georg Ebner
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 26, 2022 6:03:13 GMT
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Post by Georg Ebner on Sept 26, 2022 6:05:32 GMT
Lasciate ogni speranza, that we will get rid of M5S...
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Post by rcronald on Sept 26, 2022 6:06:34 GMT
And won all senate seats! |
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Post by rcronald on Sept 26, 2022 6:08:26 GMT
Lasciate ogni speranza, that we will get rid of M5S... Too many “unwashed masses” in Napoli for M5S to die ☹️ |
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Post by andrea on Sept 26, 2022 6:21:08 GMT
Camera
95% counted
FdI: 26.4%
Lega: 8.9%
FI: 8.1%
NM: 0.9%
PD: 19.2%
AVS: 3.6%
+Eu: 2.8%
IC: 0.6%
M5S: 15.1%
Az/IV: 7.7%
Italexit: 1.9%
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Post by rcronald on Sept 26, 2022 6:26:21 GMT
Camera 95% counted FdI: 26.4% Lega: 8.9% FI: 8.1% NM: 0.9% PD: 19.2% AVS: 3.6% +Eu: 2.8% IC: 0.6% M5S: 15.1% Az/IV: 7.7% Italexit: 1.9% How many seats is the Centre-Right bloc going to lose because Noi failed to cross the threshold? |
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Post by willpower3 on Sept 26, 2022 7:24:03 GMT
Are Fdl actually far right or merely 'far right' (that is, the usual right populist outfit seen in much of Europe)?
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Post by rcronald on Sept 26, 2022 7:45:55 GMT
Are Fdl actually far right or merely 'far right' (that is, the usual right populist outfit seen in much of Europe)? More Atlanticist , religious and economically right leaning then the average right populist European parties, definitely not “actual far right” (aka Neo Nazi). |
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Post by aargauer on Sept 26, 2022 8:09:08 GMT
Are Fdl actually far right or merely 'far right' (that is, the usual right populist outfit seen in much of Europe)? More Atlanticist , religious and economically right leaning then the average right populist European parties, definitely not “actual far right” (aka Neo Nazi). So, not in fact far right, but hard right. Really annoys me how liberally the term is used. |
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Post by matureleft on Sept 26, 2022 8:10:11 GMT
Are Fdl actually far right or merely 'far right' (that is, the usual right populist outfit seen in much of Europe)? These assessments are largely subjective. Meloni was a member of the MSI at one time and that was pretty clearly (and unashamedly) neo-fascist. But that was a while back. |
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Post by John Chanin on Sept 26, 2022 8:25:33 GMT
More Atlanticist , religious and economically right leaning then the average right populist European parties, definitely not “actual far right” (aka Neo Nazi). So, not in fact far right, but hard right. Really annoys me how liberally the term is used. This distinction between far right and hard right has come up a lot here recently and seems significant and important to some posters. But to me, and I suspect most others, the two terms are interchangeable, and I can’t even ever remember what the difference is supposed to be. |
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Sept 26, 2022 8:28:38 GMT
Are Fdl actually far right or merely 'far right' (that is, the usual right populist outfit seen in much of Europe)? More Atlanticist , religious and economically right leaning then the average right populist European parties, definitely not “actual far right” (aka Neo Nazi). She may be Atlanticist, but it's Salvini, a menace, and Berlusconi, an elderly degenerate, that most people outside Italy I think are worried about. Personally, broadly, I'd agree with her if I were Italian, but it's her partners' lack of commitment to the Atlantic alliance and helping Ukraine which also concern me. |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Sept 26, 2022 8:39:24 GMT
So, not in fact far right, but hard right. Really annoys me how liberally the term is used. This distinction between far right and hard right has come up a lot here recently and seems significant and important to some posters. But to me, and I suspect most others, the two terms are interchangeable, and I can’t even ever remember what the difference is supposed to be. Personally, I would describe "far-" to indicate those who use direct action instead of participating within the democratic and legal framework. So I would class XR as "far-green". |
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Post by rcronald on Sept 26, 2022 9:03:34 GMT
More Atlanticist , religious and economically right leaning then the average right populist European parties, definitely not “actual far right” (aka Neo Nazi). She may be Atlanticist, but it's Salvini, a menace, and Berlusconi, an elderly degenerate, that most people outside Italy I think are worried about. Personally, broadly, I'd agree with her if I were Italian, but it's her partners' lack of commitment to the Atlantic alliance and helping Ukraine which also concern me. I doubt that she’ll agree to another round of sanctions, as the Italian public seems to be more pro-Russia then almost every other European country + pro-Putin coalition partners. I prefer her to Salvini on economic issues (Salvini doesn’t seem to care about the deficit), but otherwise his brand of populism suits me better then hers. |
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 26, 2022 9:20:38 GMT
Worth remembering that the old National Alliance (the successor to the MSI and the forerunner to the FdI) polled double digits at every General Election during its existence and peaked at 16% in 1996. This is obviously beyond that, but I don't think the idea that the political Right in the future might be dominated by a party from the old fascist tradition would have struck anyone back then as outlandish. This is very much a re-emergence (and how) not a new phenomenon. Are Fdl actually far right or merely 'far right' (that is, the usual right populist outfit seen in much of Europe)? These assessments are largely subjective. Meloni was a member of the MSI at one time and that was pretty clearly (and unashamedly) neo-fascist. But that was a while back. The slightly barbed term 'postfascist' is a useful one. |
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Sept 26, 2022 9:21:23 GMT
Anyway, the Right won the Livorno constituency. Which in symbolic terms is something roughly approximating to 'Con gain Rhondda'.
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Post by MeirionGwril on Sept 26, 2022 9:33:43 GMT
Anyway, the Right won the Livorno constituency. Which in symbolic terms is something roughly approximating to 'Con gain Rhondda'. Foghorn Leghorn? |
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Post by rcronald on Sept 26, 2022 9:43:51 GMT
Anyway, the Right won the Livorno constituency. Which in symbolic terms is something roughly approximating to 'Con gain Rhondda'. Also won Tuscany in general by 4% (more then Emilia Romagna) |
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Post by greenhert on Sept 26, 2022 9:57:06 GMT
Campania 1 is the only Chamber of Deputies constituency where the FdI-FI-Lega alliance did not top the poll (M5S did, surprisingly).
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