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Post by greenchristian on Apr 21, 2013 7:40:56 GMT
So just where & when would be a by-election worth the Greens concentrating on? I think I'm on record here as being very disappointed that we didn't have a candidate in Eastleigh. Ideally I would like to see a Green candidate in most UK by-elections. However, when they coincide with nationwide local elections a party with limited resources has to decide whether it's worth it. IMO, it's worth standing if you're actually going to run a campaign. If there are other priorities at the same time, probably not worth standing at the moment. In this parliament I'd only apply that as valid excuse here and Leicester South. I would have liked to have seen a Green candidate in the other contests. It's also worth noting that standing a candidate in a by-election is a decision that would be made entirely by the local party - many of whom have very little cash, and might struggle to afford to run a campaign. At the moment, it's worth our while to stand in areas where we have sitting councillors or where we've got a promising target ward, but in few other places. Having said that, I would like us to stand in more Parliamentary by-elections - but without a significant increase in our base vote, it's a rather expensive undertaking. |
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Post by AdminSTB on Apr 21, 2013 8:47:44 GMT
The thing that confuses me most is that Emma Lewell-Buck didn't double barrel her name as Buck-Lewell for the ballot paper ordering advantage.  |
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Post by The Bishop on Apr 21, 2013 9:37:44 GMT
Though it is supposedly almost as good to be on the bottom of a ballot paper than the top  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2013 13:39:59 GMT
It's also worth noting that standing a candidate in a by-election is a decision that would be made entirely by the local party - many of whom have very little cash, and might struggle to afford to run a campaign. At the moment, it's worth our while to stand in areas where we have sitting councillors or where we've got a promising target ward, but in few other places. Having said that, I would like us to stand in more Parliamentary by-elections - but without a significant increase in our base vote, it's a rather expensive undertaking. Further to that, there's often a bit of a divide between those in the 'higher levels' of the party, who often want as many candidates as possible, and the smaller local branches who tend to be rather less keen. This is perhaps partly because the former tend to live in areas of relative success for us, whereas many in the latter have never been part of any political organisation larger than their local Green branch and, frankly, can have quite a timid approach to electoral politics. I'll never forget the time that I was lambasted by certain Glasgow Greens at party council for not standing in Glenrothes in 2008. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Apr 21, 2013 16:34:41 GMT
Don't the parties have any kind of central fund for by-elections? It would help limited local parties and provide the Greens nationally with a better profile.
Alternatively you could just let UKIP be the sole voice of otherdom.
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Post by greenchristian on Apr 21, 2013 17:12:47 GMT
Don't the parties have any kind of central fund for by-elections? It would help limited local parties and provide the Greens nationally with a better profile. Alternatively you could just let UKIP be the sole voice of otherdom. One thing the Green Party has never managed to get good at (to date) is fundraising. It's rare we do anything on more than a shoestring budget. And that applies to the national party as well as to local and regional ones. Establishing such a fund sounds like a good idea, but it's unclear where the money would come from. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2013 18:54:18 GMT
I believe such a fund does exist in Scotland, or at least did in 2008 as I was told by others present at party council that it could potentially have been used if we had stood in Glenrothes. Not sure how much we would have got though.
But as I say, the reasons for not standing are not always primarily financial. In many areas, it's hard enough persuading active members to stand as paper candidates for council, even without deposits or (in Scotland) the need to collect x-number of signatures. I don't really understand why there is this reluctance in places, but that's the culture in many branches.
And that's before we consider that not everywhere is even covered by a Green branch. If there were a by-election in Falkirk, for instance, then it's not at all clear to me who would be even notionally responsible.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 22, 2013 19:03:24 GMT
If it pleases the forum, I understand Lee Nelson to be a comedian. Did he withdraw because he isn't well good? It turns out to be for what I had suspected: www.express.co.uk/news/uk/393890/BBC-rules-keep-comic-out-of-voteAs a Parliamentary candidate, the BBC would have had to stop broadcasting his shows for reasons of political neutrality. Typically the Daily Express blames "BBC rules". The BBC did not write the Representation of the People Acts. |
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Post by stepney on Apr 22, 2013 19:19:40 GMT
Did he withdraw because he isn't well good? It turns out to be for what I had suspected: www.express.co.uk/news/uk/393890/BBC-rules-keep-comic-out-of-voteAs a Parliamentary candidate, the BBC would have had to stop broadcasting his shows for reasons of political neutrality. Typically the Daily Express blames "BBC rules". The BBC did not write the Representation of the People Acts. Presuming he hadn't had to withdraw; any ideas what exactly was his point in standing in the first place? |
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Post by greenchristian on Apr 22, 2013 20:13:14 GMT
And that's before we consider that not everywhere is even covered by a Green branch. If there were a by-election in Falkirk, for instance, then it's not at all clear to me who would be even notionally responsible. That last part is covered south of the border, where it would be the responsibility of the regional party. |
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Post by Crimson King on Apr 22, 2013 20:25:38 GMT
It turns out to be for what I had suspected: www.express.co.uk/news/uk/393890/BBC-rules-keep-comic-out-of-voteAs a Parliamentary candidate, the BBC would have had to stop broadcasting his shows for reasons of political neutrality. Typically the Daily Express blames "BBC rules". The BBC did not write the Representation of the People Acts. Presuming he hadn't had to withdraw; any ideas what exactly was his point in standing in the first place? Did he have to withdraw - surely he could have asked the BBC to pull his shows, return his fee and compensate them for their loss and go ahead, given that he is clearly genuinely keen on becoming the MP for South Shields and not in any way a publicity seeking dilettante |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Apr 23, 2013 8:45:12 GMT
If it pleases the forum, I understand Lee Nelson tries to be a comedian. Fixed that. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 11:27:37 GMT
OK
Lady Dorothy MacBeth BROOKES (British National Party)
Anyone know who she is ?? done a google and hardly appears apart from the SOPN
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 11:32:53 GMT
I asked the very same question, and still await an answer. Be interested to know...
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Post by Sibboleth on Apr 23, 2013 11:56:48 GMT
OK Lady Dorothy MacBeth BROOKES (British National Party) Anyone know who she is ?? done a google and hardly appears apart from the SOPN Wife of the Thane of Glamis. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Apr 23, 2013 12:02:03 GMT
I'm sure there has been a transcription error by South Tyneside. Her real name is Dorothy MacBeth Brooke, and her title of 'Lady' does not derive from any part of the peerage, knightage or baronetage so far as I can find. Her facebook page is: www.facebook.com/dorothy.brooke.1 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 12:07:03 GMT
Cheers David.
A bought title perhaps? One of those internet certificates maybe....
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Apr 23, 2013 14:51:08 GMT
I'm sure there has been a transcription error by South Tyneside. Her real name is Dorothy MacBeth Brooke, and her title of 'Lady' does not derive from any part of the peerage, knightage or baronetage so far as I can find. Her facebook page is: www.facebook.com/dorothy.brooke.1Fake tan overload there, there's a danger of her looking like...you know |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2013 15:36:44 GMT
Ignorant Chav?
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