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Post by andrewp on Aug 5, 2022 10:58:00 GMT
Shetland. North Isles
Robert Thomson 680
Sonia Robertson 106
Gary Cleaver 100
Marie Williamson 92
Stewart Douglas 13
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Aug 5, 2022 11:02:54 GMT
there is no such thing as a truly "boring" by-election It took just 10 minutes for this claim to be refuted  |
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Post by johnloony on Aug 5, 2022 11:12:50 GMT
Unst is a lovely island, its population scattered around so it never feels completely remote, surprisingly green and with some stunning scenery, especially its north-facing cliffs. Yell, on the other hand, is just very bleak, all peaty moorland with nothing growing above a foot tall, so incredibly windswept. I haven't been to any of the smaller islands, but would love to go back to Unst one day. Interesting. My knowledge of Shetland is very much focussed on the south, i.e. the Lerwick/Sumburgh axis.That bit I know pretty well, and it's a shame I didn't have time when doing that to venture further north. In the late 1970s or early 80s there was an item on Blue Peter about the Up Helly Aa festival. In the annual Blue Peter book it was written up as an article with the headline “Unst Upon A Time”. |
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Post by yellowperil on Aug 5, 2022 11:22:59 GMT
there is no such thing as a truly "boring" by-election It took just 10 minutes for this claim to be refuted Certainly not the result I was expecting, so hardly boring. A one sided election might be boring if it was the one that might be predicted. |
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Post by middleenglander on Aug 5, 2022 11:37:30 GMT
Luton: Dallow - Labour hold | Party | 2022 votes | 2022 share | since 2019 "top" | since 2019 "average" | since 2015 "top" | since 2015 "average" | | Labour | 1,486 | 53.6% | -12.9% | -11.7% | -13.5% | -15.7% | | Liberal Democrat | 1,076 | 38.8% | from nowhere | from nowhere | +20.8% | +21.2% | | Conservative | 154 | 5.6% | -7.6% | -7.6% | -9.4% | -7.6% | | Independent Scheimann | 58 | 2.1% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Independent Ashraf * |
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| | Total votes | 2,774 |
| 71% | 75% | 55% | 59% |
* top Labour candidate in 2003, 2007, 2011 and 2015 Swing: Labour to Liberal Democrat 17¼ / 18½% since 2015 otherwise not meaningful Council now: 31 Labour, 14 Liberal Democrat, 2 Conservative, 1 Independent Shetland: North Isles - Independent Thomson wins on first preferences based on first preference votes| Party | 2022 B votes | 2022 B share | | Robert Thomson | 680 | 68.6% | | Sonia Robertson | 106 | 10.7% | | Gary Cleaver | 100 | 10.1% | | Maria Williamson | 92 | 9.3% | | Stewart Douglas | 13 | 1.3% | | Total votes | 991 |
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Swing: not meaningful Council now: 20 Independent, 1 Labour, 1 SNP, 1 Green
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Post by yellowperil on Aug 5, 2022 12:23:38 GMT
Luton: Dallow - Labour hold | Party | 2022 votes | 2022 share | since 2019 "top" | since 2019 "average" | since 2015 "top" | since 2015 "average" | | Labour | 1,486 | 53.6% | -12.9% | -11.7% | -13.5% | -15.7% | | Liberal Democrat | 1,076 | 38.8% | from nowhere | from nowhere | +20.8% | +21.2% | | Conservative | 154 | 5.6% | -7.6% | -7.6% | -9.4% | -7.6% | | Independent Scheimann | 58 | 2.1% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Independent Ashraf * |
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| | Total votes | 2,774 |
| 71% | 75% | 55% | 59% |
* top Labour candidate in 2003, 2007, 2011 and 2015 Swing: Labour to Liberal Democrat 17¼ / 18½% since 2015 otherwise not meaningful Council now: 31 Labour, 14 Liberal Democrat, 2 Conservative, 1 Independent Shetland: North Isles - Independent Thomson wins on first preferences based on first preference votes| Party | 2022 B votes | 2022 B share | | Robert Thomson | 680 | 68.6% | | Sonia Robertson | 106 | 10.7% | | Gary Cleaver | 100 | 10.1% | | Maria Williamson | 92 | 9.3% | | Stewart Douglas | 13 | 1.3% | | Total votes | 991 |
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Swing: not meaningful Council now: 20 Independent, 1 Labour, 1 SNP, 1 Green At least, I don't think anyone will want to argue about the swing not being meaningful in Shetland |
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Post by minionofmidas on Aug 5, 2022 12:37:05 GMT
Why not? The exact same parties contested as last time. The swing was 0. Why not argue for argument's sake?
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Post by andrew111 on Aug 5, 2022 13:39:59 GMT
Why not? The exact same parties contested as last time. The swing was 0. Why not argue for argument's sake? Because no-one here would ever do that |
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Post by froome on Aug 5, 2022 14:02:13 GMT
As there were 5 candidates, we could always guess what might have happened if they had been representing the 5 main Scottish parties, with no Independents standing.
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Post by yellowperil on Aug 5, 2022 14:26:48 GMT
As there were 5 candidates, we could always guess what might have happened if they had been representing the 5 main Scottish parties, with no Independents standing. Is the game to work out which party each of the 5 candidates might have been supporting, had they not been independents? Having failed totally on the prediction game, I might pass on that, but would be interested to see if anybody else had an idea..... |
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Post by froome on Aug 5, 2022 16:13:16 GMT
As there were 5 candidates, we could always guess what might have happened if they had been representing the 5 main Scottish parties, with no Independents standing. Is the game to work out which party each of the 5 candidates might have been supporting, had they not been independents? Having failed totally on the prediction game, I might pass on that, but would be interested to see if anybody else had an idea..... I have no idea which candidate would represent which, but was more thinking how the votes would split between the parties. Would the Lib Dems parliamentary support be found here, or would the SNP gain the northernmost Scottish ward? Can the other 3 parties spring a surprise? I might hazard a guess later. |
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Post by froome on Aug 5, 2022 16:18:44 GMT
Is the game to work out which party each of the 5 candidates might have been supporting, had they not been independents? Having failed totally on the prediction game, I might pass on that, but would be interested to see if anybody else had an idea..... I have no idea which candidate would represent which, but was more thinking how the votes would split between the parties. Would the Lib Dems parliamentary support be found here, or would the SNP gain the northernmost Scottish ward? Can the other 3 parties spring a surprise? I might hazard a guess later. Might as well hazard my guess now, based on no local political knowledge at all.  I would predict a lower turnout than the actual by-election, so perhaps: Lib Dem 290 SNP 250 Green 100 Labour 90 Conservative 90 |
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Post by ideal4radio on Aug 5, 2022 17:54:29 GMT
"North Isles" is not the most accurate name for the ward as half the inhabited islands (Bruray, Housay and Whalsay) are not in that group. The southern part of the ward seems to have been arbitrarily tacked on. The largest population (2011 census) is on Whalsay (1061), followed by Yell (966), Unst (632), Fetlar (61), Housay (50) and Bruray (24). I await the anti postal vote crusaders to tell us why Bruray should have a polling station on it for an electoral turnout potentially counted on one hand. The candidates have statements up at: www.shetnews.co.uk/category/features/by-election-2022-north-isles/There's a case, in places like Bruray, for a travelling polling place to open on the island for a specified period - say two hours - notified well in advance so that the people can arrange their business around its presence. Said polling place could then move on to another small island when its business is done. Look, it's not unusual for all the votes in a very small polling district to be cast within a short space of time, possibly shortly after the polls have opened. There is no need to prolong polling hours beyond that point just because those are the hours advertised. When I was studying for my Politics degree, our Scottish Tutor told us of a small polling station on one of the Scottish Isles, in the early 1950's that had 27 Electors. The populace got wind that it was to be staffed by the son of the local Landowner, and the rather snooty wife of his " land agent ". At the Poll's opening at 7.00 am, 26 of them were queueing outside to cast their vote, whilst the 27th, who lived in the Croft 20 yards away from the polling station, turned up at ..... 9.55pm !! |
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Post by John Chanin on Aug 5, 2022 18:02:39 GMT
Shetland. North Isles Robert Thomson 680 Sonia Robertson 106 Gary Cleaver 100 Marie Williamson 92 Stewart Douglas 13 It appears that Mr Thomson’s plan to build a tunnel from Unst to Mainland impressed the locals. Although it wouldn’t have interested those in Whalsay and the Skerries, who must have voted for him too. |
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Post by carlton43 on Aug 5, 2022 21:50:24 GMT
There's a case, in places like Bruray, for a travelling polling place to open on the island for a specified period - say two hours - notified well in advance so that the people can arrange their business around its presence. Said polling place could then move on to another small island when its business is done. Look, it's not unusual for all the votes in a very small polling district to be cast within a short space of time, possibly shortly after the polls have opened. There is no need to prolong polling hours beyond that point just because those are the hours advertised. When I was studying for my Politics degree, our Scottish Tutor told us of a small polling station on one of the Scottish Isles, in the early 1950's that had 27 Electors. The populace got wind that it was to be staffed by the son of the local Landowner, and the rather snooty wife of his " land agent ". At the Poll's opening at 7.00 am, 26 of them were queueing outside to cast their vote, whilst the 27th, who lived in the Croft 20 yards away from the polling station, turned up at ..... 9.55pm !! I have known of polling stations with fewer than that. Also what was the point of that sad exercise? It has to open at 07.00 and as far as I am aware stay open until the official closing time and box collection time of 22.00, whether all vote during first 10-minutes or none vote at all. It would be nice and quiet most of the time for the young man and the sexy wife to conduct their affair undisturbed. What possible other reason would they have for taking on that role? Hardly going to be the money or boredom is it? So the locals played into their hands by leaving the central 14-hours clear for them to 'play'! |
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Post by WJ on Aug 6, 2022 9:37:07 GMT
I have spent quite a lot of time on Shetland without ever getting to any of these islands. I feel that's properly remote. Unst is a lovely island, its population scattered around so it never feels completely remote, surprisingly green and with some stunning scenery, especially its north-facing cliffs. Yell, on the other hand, is just very bleak, all peaty moorland with nothing growing above a foot tall, so incredibly windswept. I haven't been to any of the smaller islands, but would love to go back to Unst one day. Unst is the only home of one of the few endemic species in Britain- the Shetland Mouse-ear. Tiny plant with a surprisingly large white flower, for the size of the plant. |
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Post by graham on Aug 6, 2022 10:43:08 GMT
There's a case, in places like Bruray, for a travelling polling place to open on the island for a specified period - say two hours - notified well in advance so that the people can arrange their business around its presence. Said polling place could then move on to another small island when its business is done. Look, it's not unusual for all the votes in a very small polling district to be cast within a short space of time, possibly shortly after the polls have opened. There is no need to prolong polling hours beyond that point just because those are the hours advertised. When I was studying for my Politics degree, our Scottish Tutor told us of a small polling station on one of the Scottish Isles, in the early 1950's that had 27 Electors. The populace got wind that it was to be staffed by the son of the local Landowner, and the rather snooty wife of his " land agent ". At the Poll's opening at 7.00 am, 26 of them were queueing outside to cast their vote, whilst the 27th, who lived in the Croft 20 yards away from the polling station, turned up at ..... 9.55pm !! Only in recent years has Polling for Local Elections been aligned with that applicable for Parliamentary elections - except when both were being held on the same day as in 1979 and 1997 - 2015 inclusive. Until the 2010s Polling at Local Elections ceased at 9pm - an hour earlier than for Parliamentary elections. Until 1970 Polling Stations closed at 9pm for Parliamentary elections and 8pm for Local elections. |
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Post by jamesdoyle on Aug 10, 2022 17:22:24 GMT
I've been on holiday, so couldn't update until I got home. Bet you were on tenterhooks, especially pete.
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Post by michaelarden on Aug 11, 2022 10:48:49 GMT
When I was studying for my Politics degree, our Scottish Tutor told us of a small polling station on one of the Scottish Isles, in the early 1950's that had 27 Electors. The populace got wind that it was to be staffed by the son of the local Landowner, and the rather snooty wife of his " land agent ". At the Poll's opening at 7.00 am, 26 of them were queueing outside to cast their vote, whilst the 27th, who lived in the Croft 20 yards away from the polling station, turned up at ..... 9.55pm !! I have known of polling stations with fewer than that. Also what was the point of that sad exercise? It has to open at 07.00 and as far as I am aware stay open until the official closing time and box collection time of 22.00, whether all vote during first 10-minutes or none vote at all. It would be nice and quiet most of the time for the young man and the sexy wife to conduct their affair undisturbed. What possible other reason would they have for taking on that role? Hardly going to be the money or boredom is it? So the locals played into their hands by leaving the central 14-hours clear for them to 'play'! I don't believe that's the case. A polling place can close before 10pm if everyone on the register for that polling place has voted. |
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Post by The Bishop on Aug 11, 2022 10:52:27 GMT
I have known of polling stations with fewer than that. Also what was the point of that sad exercise? It has to open at 07.00 and as far as I am aware stay open until the official closing time and box collection time of 22.00, whether all vote during first 10-minutes or none vote at all. It would be nice and quiet most of the time for the young man and the sexy wife to conduct their affair undisturbed. What possible other reason would they have for taking on that role? Hardly going to be the money or boredom is it? So the locals played into their hands by leaving the central 14-hours clear for them to 'play'! I don't believe that's the case. A polling place can close before 10pm if everyone on the register for that polling place has voted. There used to be some polling stations covering a genuinely tiny number of people (just a couple of houses or similar) so I imagine that happened fairly often then. Probably not now, though. |
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