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Post by grahammurray on Jun 24, 2022 9:24:49 GMT
It's ok, we get it, a Lib Dem stole your dinner money when you were about 5. But there are three more Lib Dem councillors here as of this morning, and we'll take that any day of the week. Wow - was simply contrasting with Lib Dem posts above commenting on the efforts of Labour in Highley and suggesting the result wasn't as good as it should have been. This was a ward that the Lib Dems saw their vote drop significantly despite massive effort. Yes you got three councillors over the line and have an even bigger majority on the council. But generally all your majorities are lower than last time and non-Tory parties have moved into challengers in several wards.
But it's obviously OK for Lib Dems to criticise Labour's efforts in Shropshire but not OK for others to do the same for Lib Dems in Kingston. there's a word for that isn't there?
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 24, 2022 9:26:28 GMT
I do believe the Neath/Port Talbot vacancy was the last piece of unfinished business from the 2017 elections.
Labour will be happy to have held both seats comfortably given their results there last month.
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Post by michaelarden on Jun 24, 2022 9:28:49 GMT
Wow - was simply contrasting with Lib Dem posts above commenting on the efforts of Labour in Highley and suggesting the result wasn't as good as it should have been. This was a ward that the Lib Dems saw their vote drop significantly despite massive effort. Yes you got three councillors over the line and have an even bigger majority on the council. But generally all your majorities are lower than last time and non-Tory parties have moved into challengers in several wards.
But it's obviously OK for Lib Dems to criticise Labour's efforts in Shropshire but not OK for others to do the same for Lib Dems in Kingston. there's a word for that isn't there?
Last time? Many of the wards are direct successors to the 2018 wards - and most saw the Lib Dem share fall (overall in the Borough it was down 4% in contrast to Richmond where it rose). In Beverley ward (see first post) the Lib Dems polled 50% in 2018. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 24, 2022 9:33:22 GMT
A bit of perspective please, Kingston council has ended up with 44 of its 48 members LibDem.
Given their local issues that you have pointed out at great length, I think that is rather more than they would have settled for originally.
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Post by michaelarden on Jun 24, 2022 9:36:02 GMT
A bit of perspective please, Kingston council has ended up with 44 of its 48 members LibDem. Given their local issues that you have pointed out at great length, I think that is rather more than they would have settled for originally. I agree. |
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Post by Peter Wilkinson on Jun 24, 2022 10:21:10 GMT
I do wonder how Mr Hesse came by his fancy name. A member of the House of Hesse he is not, and he is the only person to come up in searches for the full surname (along with numerous results for the winegrowing town of Winkel, in the former Hessen-Nassau, obviously.) What I can't make out is why, if one is going for a fake aristocratic German surname, not go for something that is equally fake but even more apparently impressive - Ahlbeck von Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, for instance. |
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Post by jamesdoyle on Jun 24, 2022 10:31:59 GMT
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 24, 2022 12:06:29 GMT
Is that just the council elections, or are the Westminster by-elections factored in as well? |
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Post by jamesdoyle on Jun 24, 2022 12:35:34 GMT
Is that just the council elections, or are the Westminster by-elections factored in as well? Just the council elections. I think the westminster elections were a bit more - seismic? |
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Post by carolus on Jun 24, 2022 16:03:50 GMT
I do believe the Neath/Port Talbot vacancy was the last piece of unfinished business from the 2017 elections. Labour will be happy to have held both seats comfortably given their results there last month. Assuming you mean seats that were last filled in the 2017 elections, there are still three Scottish vacancies caused by undernomination in May. The two vacancies in Eilean Siar will be filled next week and the one in Shetland on 4 August. |
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Post by r34t on Jun 24, 2022 16:08:36 GMT
I do believe the Neath/Port Talbot vacancy was the last piece of unfinished business from the 2017 elections. Labour will be happy to have held both seats comfortably given their results there last month. Assuming you mean seats that were last filled in the 2017 elections, there are still three Scottish vacancies caused by undernomination in May. The two vacancies in Eilean Siar will be filled next week and the one in Shetland on 4 August. Is that by election or co-option ? |
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Post by carolus on Jun 24, 2022 16:12:36 GMT
Assuming you mean seats that were last filled in the 2017 elections, there are still three Scottish vacancies caused by undernomination in May. The two vacancies in Eilean Siar will be filled next week and the one in Shetland on 4 August. Is that by election or co-option ? Apologies, I wasn't clear. All byelections - you can see details of the ones next week on the preview thread. |
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Post by peterl on Jun 24, 2022 19:31:31 GMT
Assuming you mean seats that were last filled in the 2017 elections, there are still three Scottish vacancies caused by undernomination in May. The two vacancies in Eilean Siar will be filled next week and the one in Shetland on 4 August. Is that by election or co-option ? Northern Ireland asides, no councillors on principal councils are co-opted. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 24, 2022 19:47:03 GMT
Is that by election or co-option ? Northern Ireland asides, no councillors on principal councils are co-opted. Even in Norn Iron it's possible for the trail of nominated replacements to run dry through deaths or refusals to serve, and a by-election to be forced. andrewteale has the evidence. |
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Post by John Chanin on Jun 24, 2022 20:01:56 GMT
I do believe the Neath/Port Talbot vacancy was the last piece of unfinished business from the 2017 elections. Labour will be happy to have held both seats comfortably given their results there last month. Assuming you mean seats that were last filled in the 2017 elections, there are still three Scottish vacancies caused by undernomination in May. The two vacancies in Eilean Siar will be filled next week and the one in Shetland on 4 August. It seems appropriate that the last re-election from 2017 should be in Unst at 61 degrees north - the remotest place in the United Kingdom. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 24, 2022 20:15:43 GMT
Assuming you mean seats that were last filled in the 2017 elections, there are still three Scottish vacancies caused by undernomination in May. The two vacancies in Eilean Siar will be filled next week and the one in Shetland on 4 August. It seems appropriate that the last re-election from 2017 should be in Unst at 61 degrees north - the remotest place in the United Kingdom. Well I guess St Kilda has no permanent residents at the present time. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 25, 2022 10:24:27 GMT
I do believe the Neath/Port Talbot vacancy was the last piece of unfinished business from the 2017 elections. Labour will be happy to have held both seats comfortably given their results there last month. Assuming you mean seats that were last filled in the 2017 elections, there are still three Scottish vacancies caused by undernomination in May. The two vacancies in Eilean Siar will be filled next week and the one in Shetland on 4 August. I am aware of those, but there was the option of electing these vacancies in May 2022 so I would categorise them slightly differently. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2022 12:12:37 GMT
It seems appropriate that the last re-election from 2017 should be in Unst at 61 degrees north - the remotest place in the United Kingdom. Well I guess St Kilda has no permanent residents at the present time. The remotest part of the UK ever to have had permanent habitation is North Rona. And the British Overseas Territory of Saint Helena, Tristan da Cunha and Ascension Island, if taken together as one unit, is the most remote permanently inhabited location on Earth |
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Post by WJ on Jun 25, 2022 22:51:42 GMT
I would think Fair Isle and Foula would be more remote than Unst by most metrics.
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Post by minionofmidas on Jun 26, 2022 9:42:45 GMT
Well I guess St Kilda has no permanent residents at the present time. The remotest part of the UK ever to have had permanent habitation is North Rona. And the British Overseas Territory of Saint Helena, Tristan da Cunha and Ascension Island, if taken together as one unit, is the most remote permanently inhabited location on Earth I don't think there's an accepted definition tbh. But if you're just going by distance to the nearest other inhabited unit, you need to divide the territory up - Tristan da Cunha is further from any other inhabited area than anywhere else in the world (and the nearest is St Helena). Ascension however is closer (and St Helena just barely further) to the mainland of Africa than Rapa Nui is to anywhere else... and the nearest inhabited place to Rapa Nui is Pitcairn. (St Helena and Ascension are also disqualified, when breaking up, by being closer to each other.) North Rona is about 10% further from anywhere else than St Kilda, but it's also almost equidistant to Lewis and Orkney and not much further to the Scottish Mainland. St Kilda has only the ocean in every other direction until you get to Iceland or the Açores. |
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