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Post by iang on Jun 22, 2022 17:05:41 GMT
What intrigues me is the six for other
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Post by nobodyimportant on Jun 22, 2022 18:19:23 GMT
that's true but there have been boundary changes since then which have made the seat more strongly Conservative than it was then I'm not sure they have. The 2010 boundary changes removed areas around Crediton and replaced them with Axminster, Seaton and environs. Both of those are areas that are in ordinary circumstances quite comfortable for the Conservatives. Wikipedia's notionals suggest that they actually strengthened the Conservative position marginally. Which would mean that it did make the seat more strongly Conservative as batman said. For what it's worth in the Devon County Council election last year the Lib Dems won Crediton with 44% of the vote to 40% for the Conservatives. In Axminster the Tories won with 44% to 38% for the East Devon Alliance, with the Lib Dems on 5%, and in Seaton the Tories again won with 44%, with the EDA getting 42% here and the Lib Dems got 3% (all figs to the nearest %). |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 22, 2022 18:27:49 GMT
I'm not sure they have. The 2010 boundary changes removed areas around Crediton and replaced them with Axminster, Seaton and environs. Both of those are areas that are in ordinary circumstances quite comfortable for the Conservatives. Wikipedia's notionals suggest that they actually strengthened the Conservative position marginally. Which would mean that it did make the seat more strongly Conservative as batman said. For what it's worth in the Devon County Council election last year the Lib Dems won Crediton with 44% of the vote to 40% for the Conservatives. In Axminster the Tories won with 44% to 38% for the East Devon Alliance, with the Lib Dems on 5%, and in Seaton the Tories again won with 44%, with the EDA getting 42% here and the Lib Dems got 3% (all figs to the nearest %). I'm liking Crediton even more from this. The viola that I play on mostly was made there by a luthier named Arthur Richardson. He made violas to the Tertis Model pattern (which he helped Lionel Tertis develop), mine is one of these and I know other players with similar instruments. Lionel Tertis is the fellow in my avatar. |
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Post by batman on Jun 22, 2022 20:42:50 GMT
Which would mean that it did make the seat more strongly Conservative as batman said. For what it's worth in the Devon County Council election last year the Lib Dems won Crediton with 44% of the vote to 40% for the Conservatives. In Axminster the Tories won with 44% to 38% for the East Devon Alliance, with the Lib Dems on 5%, and in Seaton the Tories again won with 44%, with the EDA getting 42% here and the Lib Dems got 3% (all figs to the nearest %). I'm liking Crediton even more from this. The viola that I play on mostly was made there by a luthier named Arthur Richardson. He made violas to the Tertis Model pattern (which he helped Lionel Tertis develop), mine is one of these and I know other players with similar instruments. Lionel Tertis is the fellow in my avatar. I sold a Tertis model viola once, it was pretty large. It was made by a maker called Corbin. Sold it to a young woman in Spain. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 22, 2022 21:15:41 GMT
I'm liking Crediton even more from this. The viola that I play on mostly was made there by a luthier named Arthur Richardson. He made violas to the Tertis Model pattern (which he helped Lionel Tertis develop), mine is one of these and I know other players with similar instruments. Lionel Tertis is the fellow in my avatar. I sold a Tertis model viola once, it was pretty large. It was made by a maker called Corbin. Sold it to a young woman in Spain. It is a largeish pattern, but there are larger. Tertis himself used to play on a Montagnana instrument which he claimed was 18" body length, while the TM is a standard 16¾". It's the wider than normal bouts and depth of the body that help with the tone. My instrument is actually fairly light in weight despite its size. It was apparently made for a woman player, and has a slender neck. IIRC the first owner played in the Hallé Orchestra, but it's been around the Birmingham Philharmonic Orchestra for a long time, both its previous owners having been principal viola in that orchestra - as I am now. I met one of these previous owners earlier this year. She saw the instrument and said "You've got my Richardson!". I explained how I'd come to own it, and she asked to have first refusal should I put it up for sale. This isn't happening any time soon. But it was good to know something more about the backstory of the viola. |
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Post by andrewp on Jun 22, 2022 21:28:16 GMT
On the eve of polling day, I still think the Lib Dems will win quite comfortably. I can’t see any real reason for them not to.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 22, 2022 21:29:38 GMT
On the eve of polling day, I still think the Lib Dems will win quite comfortably. I can’t see any real reason for them not to. Other than that the Tories have not taken this for granted and have appeared to be campaigning quite hard? |
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Post by batman on Jun 22, 2022 22:20:37 GMT
I sold a Tertis model viola once, it was pretty large. It was made by a maker called Corbin. Sold it to a young woman in Spain. It is a largeish pattern, but there are larger. Tertis himself used to play on a Montagnana instrument which he claimed was 18" body length, while the TM is a standard 16¾". It's the wider than normal bouts and depth of the body that help with the tone. My instrument is actually fairly light in weight despite its size. It was apparently made for a woman player, and has a slender neck. IIRC the first owner played in the Hallé Orchestra, but it's been around the Birmingham Philharmonic Orchestra for a long time, both its previous owners having been principal viola in that orchestra - as I am now. I met one of these previous owners earlier this year. She saw the instrument and said "You've got my Richardson!". I explained how I'd come to own it, and she asked to have first refusal should I put it up for sale. This isn't happening any time soon. But it was good to know something more about the backstory of the viola. yes, one regular customer rejected it on the grounds it actually wasn't large enough. Wonder how she is - she was once an active Conservative member but fell out with the party over something or other. |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jun 22, 2022 22:34:39 GMT
My ex gf dad stood for labour in CC elections when they lived in crediton. He said he did so badly that when someone had spoilt the ballot he argued he should get the vote and they gave it him
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Post by neilm on Jun 22, 2022 22:41:25 GMT
My ex gf dad stood for labour in CC elections when they lived in crediton. He said he did so badly that when someone had spoilt the ballot he argued he should get the vote and they gave it him Was that in the days when Jean Polk was the Lib Dem member for Crediton on DCC? |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jun 22, 2022 22:48:01 GMT
Tanya Gold in UnHerd "This by-election is the most depressing I have covered. It feels sunken and shameful, which is not surprising when you consider its origins: a by-election not for constituents, who feel ignored no matter their stripe, but for other people. The media is here, mugging locals and holding up queues in the butchers. They gawp at the nerve of it: as if we are more interested in a prime minister’s fate than a constituency’s. They wonder why they were not always so interesting to us; why we never came here before; if we are irreparably trivial." unherd.com/2022/06/the-tories-deserve-to-lose-tiverton/ the first comment sums up the article for me, it's good until the overt partisan comments start to drop in like a bucket of cold sick |
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Post by mattbewilson on Jun 22, 2022 22:48:59 GMT
My ex gf dad stood for labour in CC elections when they lived in crediton. He said he did so badly that when someone had spoilt the ballot he argued he should get the vote and they gave it him Was that in the days when Jean Polk was the Lib Dem member for Crediton on DCC? we're probably going back 20 years at least |
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Post by neilm on Jun 23, 2022 6:32:20 GMT
Was that in the days when Jean Polk was the Lib Dem member for Crediton on DCC? we're probably going back 20 years at least Yeah it would have been. She was a power in the land at County Hall. I need to check her results but IIRC she just crushed every other candidate. |
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Post by peterl on Jun 23, 2022 11:03:55 GMT
FWIW, I live only about 30 miles east of the constituency, and the weather here today is dry and mild, neither hot enough for everyone to spend the evening at the beach nor cold enough to be put off voting,
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Post by mattbewilson on Jun 23, 2022 12:44:08 GMT
FWIW, I live only about 30 miles east of the constituency, and the weather here today is dry and mild, neither hot enough for everyone to spend the evening at the beach nor cold enough to be put off voting, from experience Devon beaches are best when it isn't too hot |
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Post by sirbenjamin on Jun 23, 2022 14:11:57 GMT
Tanya Gold in UnHerd "This by-election is the most depressing I have covered. It feels sunken and shameful, which is not surprising when you consider its origins: a by-election not for constituents, who feel ignored no matter their stripe, but for other people. The media is here, mugging locals and holding up queues in the butchers. They gawp at the nerve of it: as if we are more interested in a prime minister’s fate than a constituency’s. They wonder why they were not always so interesting to us; why we never came here before; if we are irreparably trivial." unherd.com/2022/06/the-tories-deserve-to-lose-tiverton/ the first comment sums up the article for me, it's good until the overt partisan comments start to drop in like a bucket of cold sick
“I was a paid-up member of the Conservative Party and there’s no way I can vote for the Tories in the state they are in. They’ve lurched to the Right.”
Clearly from neither Tiverton nor Honiton but another fucking planet...
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Post by iang on Jun 23, 2022 15:13:30 GMT
No previews yet?
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Post by carlton43 on Jun 23, 2022 15:20:47 GMT
the first comment sums up the article for me, it's good until the overt partisan comments start to drop in like a bucket of cold sick
“I was a paid-up member of the Conservative Party and there’s no way I can vote for the Tories in the state they are in. They’ve lurched to the Right.”
Clearly from neither Tiverton nor Honiton but another fucking planet...
'You cannot be serious'! This Conservative Party is 'Right Wing'!!? It is in the most left wing condition it has ever been. |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Jun 23, 2022 15:26:15 GMT
“I was a paid-up member of the Conservative Party and there’s no way I can vote for the Tories in the state they are in. They’ve lurched to the Right.”
Clearly from neither Tiverton nor Honiton but another fucking planet...
'You cannot be serious'! This Conservative Party is 'Right Wing'!!? It is in the most left wing condition it has ever been. He obviously meant they've moved to the right-on, to hip and unconservative to vote for now. |
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 23, 2022 16:01:00 GMT
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