Chris from Brum
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Post by Chris from Brum on Jun 25, 2022 20:25:01 GMT
The only one of our "top 100" that we didn't win IIRC. you are correct, your reverence. A bishop is addressed as "your Grace". |
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Post by aargauer on Jun 25, 2022 20:30:00 GMT
you are correct, your reverence. A bishop is addressed as "your Grace". Reverence is the address for a lowly deacon. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jun 26, 2022 10:48:42 GMT
Local Lib Dems have expressed their disappointment today. I notice Tom Gordon is far less than happy. There probably needs to be balance struck when it comes to extent at which they are willing sabotage their own parliamentary campaigns, because it could have a knock on effect with local elections and endeavours to increase the local membership and candidate base? Its a hard enough place as it is to be a Lib Dem. (Gordon is Lib Dem group leader on Wakey council, and councillor in Knottingley where they hold all three seats). Knottingley is in the Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford seat. Appreciate his concern, I'd like to see a minimum level of effort and expenditure each time aimed at retaining our deposit, just to retain local credibility, but those decisions are way above my pay grade, as they say. However, we have evidence that Labour are also prepared to sacrifice a few deposits in the greater cause, so perhaps the bigger picture is more important. This is slightly intriguing given that the LibDems did put in at least a token effort at Batley and Spen a year ago. I suppose the difference there is that they held council seats in the seat recently (even if not currently) and this is less true of Wakefield - they did once win Ossett, but that is a while ago now. |
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Post by YL on Jun 26, 2022 10:58:36 GMT
Knottingley is in the Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford seat. Appreciate his concern, I'd like to see a minimum level of effort and expenditure each time aimed at retaining our deposit, just to retain local credibility, but those decisions are way above my pay grade, as they say. However, we have evidence that Labour are also prepared to sacrifice a few deposits in the greater cause, so perhaps the bigger picture is more important. This is slightly intriguing given that the LibDems did put in at least a token effort at Batley and Spen a year ago. I suppose the difference there is that they held council seats in the seat recently (even if not currently) and this is less true of Wakefield - they did once win Ossett, but that is a while ago now. They hold all three seats in Cleckheaton ward, which is in Batley & Spen, and IIRC that’s where they did most of their campaigning. Ossett hasn’t voted for them since 2007 and recent results don’t suggest it’s on the radar now. |
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Post by Merseymike on Jun 26, 2022 11:02:07 GMT
Knottingley is in the Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford seat. Appreciate his concern, I'd like to see a minimum level of effort and expenditure each time aimed at retaining our deposit, just to retain local credibility, but those decisions are way above my pay grade, as they say. However, we have evidence that Labour are also prepared to sacrifice a few deposits in the greater cause, so perhaps the bigger picture is more important. This is slightly intriguing given that the LibDems did put in at least a token effort at Batley and Spen a year ago. I suppose the difference there is that they held council seats in the seat recently (even if not currently) and this is less true of Wakefield - they did once win Ossett, but that is a while ago now. They still hold three seats, in the Cleckheaton ward. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jun 26, 2022 11:45:41 GMT
Knottingley is in the Normanton, Pontefract and Castleford seat. Appreciate his concern, I'd like to see a minimum level of effort and expenditure each time aimed at retaining our deposit, just to retain local credibility, but those decisions are way above my pay grade, as they say. However, we have evidence that Labour are also prepared to sacrifice a few deposits in the greater cause, so perhaps the bigger picture is more important. This is slightly intriguing given that the LibDems did put in at least a token effort at Batley and Spen a year ago. I suppose the difference there is that they held council seats in the seat recently (even if not currently) and this is less true of Wakefield - they did once win Ossett, but that is a while ago now. By 'once', you mean 'once upon a time' rather than 'on one occassion' of course. Indeed they won the ward several times in the 1980s and 90s and won every election there between 2000 and 2007 inclusive, usually quite easily. So it was equivalent in a way to Cleckheaton. They lost the watd in 2008 and have never won it since. The candidate that year was one M Goodair. Does anybody know anything about this candidate and what made him so repellent to the electors of Ossett? |
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Post by neilm on Jun 26, 2022 12:30:20 GMT
The only one of our "top 100" that we didn't win IIRC. you are correct, your reverence. You are Maurice Yeatman and I claim my £5. |
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Post by devolutionist on Jun 30, 2022 22:50:05 GMT
Have they said what it is in numbers? BBC live page says "In total, 27,205 ballots were cast out of an electorate of 69,601." I'm am sure when I stood in this constituency in 2019 that the size of the electorate exceeded 70000. And that seems to be supported by 45027 votes amounting to 64.1% of the electorate, the back of my fag packet makes that approx 70240(ish) A decline of around 640 registered voters in 3 years. Would be interesting to know whether this is population decline (e.g. lots of migrants from the EU returning home after Brexit) or an increasing number of people simply not bothering to register to vote. EDIT: Forgot that covid deaths could also be a factor! |
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Post by greenchristian on Jun 30, 2022 23:40:02 GMT
BBC live page says "In total, 27,205 ballots were cast out of an electorate of 69,601." I'm am sure when I stood in this constituency in 2019 that the size of the electorate exceeded 70000. And that seems to be supported by 45027 votes amounting to 64.1% of the electorate, the back of my fag packet makes that approx 70240(ish) A decline of around 640 registered voters in 3 years. Would be interesting to know whether this is population decline (e.g. lots of migrants from the EU returning home after Brexit) or an increasing number of people simply not bothering to register to vote. EDIT: Forgot that covid deaths could also be a factor! The vast majority of EU migrants were never eligible to vote in Westminster elections (only those from Ireland and Malta had that right), so it seems unlikely that population decline from Brexit would contribute to a decline in the Westminster electorate. |
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Post by YL on Jul 1, 2022 6:40:21 GMT
BBC live page says "In total, 27,205 ballots were cast out of an electorate of 69,601." I'm am sure when I stood in this constituency in 2019 that the size of the electorate exceeded 70000. And that seems to be supported by 45027 votes amounting to 64.1% of the electorate, the back of my fag packet makes that approx 70240(ish) A decline of around 640 registered voters in 3 years. Would be interesting to know whether this is population decline (e.g. lots of migrants from the EU returning home after Brexit) or an increasing number of people simply not bothering to register to vote. EDIT: Forgot that covid deaths could also be a factor! Since IER came in there have been noticeable electorate surges before major elections and referendums; you can often see this by comparing the figures from the annual canvass with the actual election day figures. I'd expect this surge to be bigger before a General Election than a by-election. Also, the numbers fluctuate a bit from year to year. If we look specifically at Wakefield, the December electorates are, from 2015 to 2021, 66552, 67696, 69031, 68078, 70509, 69684, 69165. The General Election electoratres are 70521 in 2015, 70340 in 2017 and 70192 in 2019. You can see both the fluctuation and the tendency for GE figures to be higher. (I don't know why the Dec 2019 canvass figure is higher than the Dec 2019 General Election figure.) ( Data from here.) |
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Post by devolutionist on Jul 1, 2022 7:22:48 GMT
I'm am sure when I stood in this constituency in 2019 that the size of the electorate exceeded 70000. And that seems to be supported by 45027 votes amounting to 64.1% of the electorate, the back of my fag packet makes that approx 70240(ish) A decline of around 640 registered voters in 3 years. Would be interesting to know whether this is population decline (e.g. lots of migrants from the EU returning home after Brexit) or an increasing number of people simply not bothering to register to vote. EDIT: Forgot that covid deaths could also be a factor! Since IER came in there have been noticeable electorate surges before major elections and referendums; you can often see this by comparing the figures from the annual canvass with the actual election day figures. I'd expect this surge to be bigger before a General Election than a by-election. Also, the numbers fluctuate a bit from year to year. If we look specifically at Wakefield, the December electorates are, from 2015 to 2021, 66552, 67696, 69031, 68078, 70509, 69684, 69165. The General Election electoratres are 70521 in 2015, 70340 in 2017 and 70192 in 2019. You can see both the fluctuation and the tendency for GE figures to be higher. (I don't know why the Dec 2019 canvass figure is higher than the Dec 2019 General Election figure.) ( Data from here.) Very interesting, thanks! (Although the GE electorate figures does suggest a steady ongoing decline). |
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Post by neilm on Jul 1, 2022 7:44:29 GMT
I'm am sure when I stood in this constituency in 2019 that the size of the electorate exceeded 70000. And that seems to be supported by 45027 votes amounting to 64.1% of the electorate, the back of my fag packet makes that approx 70240(ish) A decline of around 640 registered voters in 3 years. Would be interesting to know whether this is population decline (e.g. lots of migrants from the EU returning home after Brexit) or an increasing number of people simply not bothering to register to vote. EDIT: Forgot that covid deaths could also be a factor! The vast majority of EU migrants were never eligible to vote in Westminster elections (only those from Ireland and Malta had that right), so it seems unlikely that population decline from Brexit would contribute to a decline in the Westminster electorate. Cyprus too. There are some Gibraltarian and Channel Island voters in the UK too but I doubt they've gone home because of Brexit. |
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Post by gibbon on Jul 1, 2022 10:18:08 GMT
IER has had some interesting side effects. While it resulted in some reduction in the lectorates is some areas in others when an election is due the electorate has increased. IER has caused some problems for HMRC and DWP when dealing some some single person discount for Council tax, Pension Credit, Tax Credits and Universal Credit claims when it is believed that parties are cohabiting but there is little evidence to confirm this. Before IER all departments would rely on the electoral register to help prove cohabitation and reclaim lost income. I am aware of cases in the Yorkshire area where there over £30000+ claims for repayment were lost by the DWP/HMRC as there was insufficient to prove cohabitation. These were not isolated cases and the cost to the Exchequer must be fairly high. Alternatively if someone is not on the electoral register, is charged by the police for a criminal offence they may be refused bail as having no settled address and be a potential flight risk.
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Post by andrew111 on Jul 2, 2022 15:26:45 GMT
IER has had some interesting side effects. While it resulted in some reduction in the lectorates is some areas in others when an election is due the electorate has increased. IER has caused some problems for HMRC and DWP when dealing some some single person discount for Council tax, Pension Credit, Tax Credits and Universal Credit claims when it is believed that parties are cohabiting but there is little evidence to confirm this. Before IER all departments would rely on the electoral register to help prove cohabitation and reclaim lost income. I am aware of cases in the Yorkshire area where there over £30000+ claims for repayment were lost by the DWP/HMRC as there was insufficient to prove cohabitation. These were not isolated cases and the cost to the Exchequer must be fairly high. Alternatively if someone is not on the electoral register, is charged by the police for a criminal offence they may be refused bail as having no settled address and be a potential flight risk. Credit rating can be quite negatively affected by not being on the register. That could be one reason why so many people register but never vote... |
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Post by finsobruce on Feb 21, 2023 13:57:19 GMT
Well only the Conservative party can answer that question.
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Post by maxque on Feb 21, 2023 15:01:13 GMT
Good connections, wealthy, in the right social circles, likely to not have too much of an independent streak and obey the whip. |
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