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Post by willpower3 on Apr 23, 2022 11:37:14 GMT
I consider 1987 to be a more impressive Tory victory than 1983. Yes, it was a smaller majority, but it felt like a more genuine endorsement of Thatcherism.
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Post by afleitch on Apr 23, 2022 12:29:32 GMT
I consider 1987 to be a more impressive Tory victory than 1983. Yes, it was a smaller majority, but it felt like a more genuine endorsement of Thatcherism. I agree. The 1979 election win was built on coalitions that were easily reversible for Labour if they hadn't fucked it up (SDP etc). 1983 was a rejection of Labour. 1987 was more of a genuine public endorsement of Thatcherism. In Scotland it was an equally genuine rejection of Thatcherism and a realignment election in particular for the middle class. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2022 20:01:51 GMT
What if Farage won South Thanet in 2015?
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Post by stodge on May 1, 2022 20:38:13 GMT
What if Edward Heath had lost Bexley in a bigger Labour landslide in 1966?
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Post by johnloony on May 1, 2022 22:06:19 GMT
What if Edward Heath had lost Bexley in a bigger Labour landslide in 1966? Then Reginald Maudling or Enoch Powell would have become leader. |
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Post by carlton43 on May 1, 2022 22:46:00 GMT
What if Edward Heath had lost Bexley in a bigger Labour landslide in 1966? The world, British politics and especially the Conservative Party would have been greatly enriched. |
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Post by The Bishop on May 9, 2022 21:17:26 GMT
I will very vaguely and fuzzily sort of agree with you, I would certainly fully concur that there was much more to him than *that* speech.
(or, indeed, the rather unlovely fandom that he gained from it)
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Post by afleitch on May 10, 2022 18:34:58 GMT
I will very vaguely and fuzzily sort of agree with you, I would certainly fully concur that there was much more to him than *that* speech. (or, indeed, the rather unlovely fandom that he gained from it) The only issue being he was already privately monomaniac about immigration in 1964. Norman Fowler (yes he) interviewed him in an unpublished interview during the 1964 campaign and revealed that he was shocked that it's what a British politician was just interested in (back then) to the exclusion of nearly everything else of importance in the campaign. |
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Post by finsobruce on May 10, 2022 18:41:05 GMT
I will very vaguely and fuzzily sort of agree with you, I would certainly fully concur that there was much more to him than *that* speech. (or, indeed, the rather unlovely fandom that he gained from it) The only issue being he was already privately monomaniac about immigration in 1964. Norman Fowler (yes he) interviewed him in an unpublished interview during the 1964 campaign and revealed that he was shocked that it's what a British politician was just interested in (back then) to the exclusion of nearly everything else of importance in the campaign. Having read Simon Heffer's biography of Powell, I think he thought that would get him the Tory leadership but it ended up being the thing that kept him away from it. |
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Post by johnloony on May 18, 2022 20:29:28 GMT
Muck is an independent country with a Maoist government.
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Post by johnloony on May 23, 2022 3:34:23 GMT
Liverpool is a devolved nation within the UK, with a national assembly split between a Marxist Labour opposition and a weird Maoist-style Steve Radford pretend-Liberal Party trying to get full independence so that it can be a proper Hoxhaite hellhole instead of a half-baked semi-detached region being propped up by money from the south-east of England. After independence, Liverpool and Glasgow vote for each other in the Eurovision Sonk Ontest, and set up detention camps for anti-people elements. Revisionism sets in, and the purge of dissidents and counter-revolutionaries turns into a pretext for sectarian guerilla warfare, with each side accusing the other of being pro-English imperialist spies. Eventually, the Catholic hierarchy is victorious. Liverpool, Glasgow and the Vatican form a confederation and claim to be the legitimate continuation of the Roman Empire. Religious fanaticism means that the politicians take a collective vow of poverty, declaring that all material wealth is a sign of diabolicalism. Slums crumble and the ordinary proles resort to eating each other for survival.
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Post by yellowperil on May 23, 2022 7:13:52 GMT
Liverpool is a devolved nation within the UK, with a national assembly split between a Marxist Labour opposition and a weird Maoist-style Steve Radford pretend-Liberal Party trying to get full independence so that it can be a proper Hoxhaite hellhole instead of a half-baked semi-detached region being propped up by money from the south-east of England. After independence, Liverpool and Glasgow vote for each other in the Eurovision Sonk Ontest, and set up detention camps for anti-people elements. Revisionism sets in, and the purge of dissidents and counter-revolutionaries turns into a pretext for sectarian guerilla warfare, with each side accusing the other of being pro-English imperialist spies. Eventually, the Catholic hierarchy is victorious. Liverpool, Glasgow and the Vatican form a confederation and claim to be the legitimate continuation of the Roman Empire. Religious fanaticism means that the politicians take a collective vow of poverty, declaring that all material wealth is a sign of diabolicalism. Slums crumble and the ordinary proles resort to eating each other for survival. So, no change, then |
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Post by johnloony on Jun 13, 2022 22:59:25 GMT
France has always used FPTP since 1958.
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Post by Clark on Jul 27, 2022 11:47:49 GMT
If Tony Benn had won his Bristol seat in 1983, would he have beaten Kinnock to become Labour leader?
And if so, how would he have done in the 1987 and 1992 General Elections assuming he would've remained leader?
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Post by johnloony on Jul 27, 2022 12:03:08 GMT
If Tony Benn had won his Bristol seat in 1983, would he have beaten Kinnock to become Labour leader? No |
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Post by slon on Jul 27, 2022 17:36:30 GMT
If Tony Benn had won his Bristol seat in 1983, would he have beaten Kinnock to become Labour leader? And if so, how would he have done in the 1987 and 1992 General Elections assuming he would've remained leader? If you are a southpaw then why does your picture show you as a right handed golfer? Bit like Tony Benn, always wanted to be seen as some mirror image of himself, and unable to understand why people did not trust him .... does that answer the question? |
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Post by Clark on Jul 27, 2022 19:39:38 GMT
If Tony Benn had won his Bristol seat in 1983, would he have beaten Kinnock to become Labour leader? And if so, how would he have done in the 1987 and 1992 General Elections assuming he would've remained leader? If you are a southpaw then why does your picture show you as a right handed golfer? Bit like Tony Benn, always wanted to be seen as some mirror image of himself, and unable to understand why people did not trust him .... does that answer the question? Excellent observation! I'm impressed - Southpaw shouldn't be my username - I messed up when making my account and just left it. I like boxing but am a +2 golfer. The guy in the picture is Hunter Mahan - an American pro who's swing I admire although he's lost his ways in recent years. Oh, and thank you for your thoughts on my original question. I always greatly admired Tony Benn but maybe that's my left wing bias upbringing coming through on me. |
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Post by slon on Jul 28, 2022 13:21:37 GMT
If you are a southpaw then why does your picture show you as a right handed golfer? Bit like Tony Benn, always wanted to be seen as some mirror image of himself, and unable to understand why people did not trust him .... does that answer the question? Excellent observation! I'm impressed - Southpaw shouldn't be my username - I messed up when making my account and just left it. I like boxing but am a +2 golfer. The guy in the picture is Hunter Mahan - an American pro who's swing I admire although he's lost his ways in recent years. Oh, and thank you for your thoughts on my original question. I always greatly admired Tony Benn but maybe that's my left wing bias upbringing coming through on me. My negative thoughts on Tony Benn come from 50 years ago or more. Churchill once said “The best argument against Democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.” .... I suspect Tony Benn thought exactly the same thing, he certainly acted that way. (btw. I do not agree with Churchill)
What Tony Benn said and what he did were different, he talked a lot about respect for the the opinions of the masses in the form of popular democracy. But with the obvious intention of ignoring said popular opinion. These were the days of CND marches on Sunday and signing off contracts to build nuclear weapon systems on Monday.
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Post by neilm on Jul 29, 2022 14:55:03 GMT
Excellent observation! I'm impressed - Southpaw shouldn't be my username - I messed up when making my account and just left it. I like boxing but am a +2 golfer. The guy in the picture is Hunter Mahan - an American pro who's swing I admire although he's lost his ways in recent years. Oh, and thank you for your thoughts on my original question. I always greatly admired Tony Benn but maybe that's my left wing bias upbringing coming through on me. My negative thoughts on Tony Benn come from 50 years ago or more. Churchill once said “The best argument against Democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.” .... I suspect Tony Benn thought exactly the same thing, he certainly acted that way. (btw. I do not agree with Churchill)
What Tony Benn said and what he did were different, he talked a lot about respect for the the opinions of the masses in the form of popular democracy. But with the obvious intention of ignoring said popular opinion. These were the days of CND marches on Sunday and signing off contracts to build nuclear weapon systems on Monday.
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Post by slon on Jul 29, 2022 15:02:12 GMT
My negative thoughts on Tony Benn come from 50 years ago or more. Churchill once said “The best argument against Democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.” .... I suspect Tony Benn thought exactly the same thing, he certainly acted that way. (btw. I do not agree with Churchill)
What Tony Benn said and what he did were different, he talked a lot about respect for the the opinions of the masses in the form of popular democracy. But with the obvious intention of ignoring said popular opinion. These were the days of CND marches on Sunday and signing off contracts to build nuclear weapon systems on Monday.
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