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Post by tonyhill on Apr 8, 2022 12:09:56 GMT
Are there any Green councillors who have been around for 20 years? A bit of an unfair question I know because the Green Party has only become relatively successful much more recently, but I do get the impression (and it is not based on any analysis) that Green councillors tend to be more ephemeral than their opponents.
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 8, 2022 12:11:58 GMT
So a pretty unremittingly awful set of results for the Tories, with the sole exception of High Peak. Which does make you wonder even more what happened there. I see the CON results to be fairly good in all the circumstances and would have expected more losses and poorer performance. It is LAB who are the standout losers as official opposition and 12-long years into that opposition, purged of the taint of Corbynism, solid dull leader, and yet making very poor progress indeed. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Apr 8, 2022 12:16:03 GMT
So a pretty unremittingly awful set of results for the Tories, with the sole exception of High Peak. Which does make you wonder even more what happened there. I see the CON results to be fairly good in all the circumstances and would have expected more losses and poorer performance. It is LAB who are the standout losers as official opposition and 12-long years into that opposition, purged of the taint of Corbynism, solid dull leader, and yet making very poor progress indeed. Given that the Conservatives lost every seat they were defending, and failed to gain an open seat in an area of strength for the Party, how, pray tell, could you “have expected more losses”? |
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Post by jamesdoyle on Apr 8, 2022 12:19:05 GMT
Does the ward border the increasingly legendary Knepp Estate? A hotbed of alternative farming thinking and an astonishing lesson in wildlife recovery. Knepp is 5 or 6km north east of the ward. It's a brilliant place to visit, and _very_ popular. Last year the had their first breeding pair of storks, this year there are several pairs. Got some excellent pictures a few weeks ago. Are there any Green councillors who have been around for 20 years? A bit of an unfair question I know because the Green Party has only become relatively successful much more recently, but I do get the impression (and it is not based on any analysis) that Green councillors tend to be more ephemeral than their opponents. There was someone down in Somerset or Gloucestershire wasn't there? Retired fairly recently. But in general you're right, I think. A combination of recent progress, requiring the right circumstances to hold a seat once won, and candidates who aren't as committed to the grind of committees and agendas. Sarah Sharp in Chichester is another one who won't be moved until she chooses to go. I had to persuade her to stand first time, and now she's an absolute force on both borough and county. |
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 8, 2022 12:25:19 GMT
I see the CON results to be fairly good in all the circumstances and would have expected more losses and poorer performance. It is LAB who are the standout losers as official opposition and 12-long years into that opposition, purged of the taint of Corbynism, solid dull leader, and yet making very poor progress indeed. Given that the Conservatives lost every seat they were defending, and failed to gain an open seat in an area of strength for the Party, how, pray tell, could you “have expected more losses”? I should have made it clearer that I was referring to 2022 and not just last night. The CON have a series of serious inter-related problems that are damaging them from differing directions. Those will not be easy to cure. Then there is the tiredness of the administration after 12-years, Brexit woes, Covid-exhaustion and an unhealthy incidence of scandal and simple poor quality behaviour and competence. Against that background, what is your opinion for the very indifferent performance by LAB? If you can't sweep all before you in these circumstances when on earth will you be able to succeed? |
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Post by andrea on Apr 8, 2022 12:29:02 GMT
Are there any Green councillors who have been around for 20 years? A bit of an unfair question I know because the Green Party has only become relatively successful much more recently, but I do get the impression (and it is not based on any analysis) that Green councillors tend to be more ephemeral than their opponents. Peter West in Brighton & Hove has the following electoral record 6/05/1996 - 09/05/1999 10/05/1999 - 04/05/2003 07/05/2007 - 08/05/2011 09/05/2011 - 10/05/2015 11/05/2015 - 06/05/2019 07/05/2019 - |
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Post by Tony Otim on Apr 8, 2022 12:42:40 GMT
Are there any Green councillors who have been around for 20 years? A bit of an unfair question I know because the Green Party has only become relatively successful much more recently, but I do get the impression (and it is not based on any analysis) that Green councillors tend to be more ephemeral than their opponents. Susan Mallender (nee Blount) in Lady Bay, Rushcliffe has been for at least 19 years. In Scotland, if re-elected and serve their full term, both Martha Wardrop (Glasgow) and Steve Burgess (Edinburgh) will hit 20 years (considering we only had our first councillors elected in 2007, this is as early as could be). |
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Post by No Offence Alan on Apr 8, 2022 12:44:34 GMT
Given that the Conservatives lost every seat they were defending, and failed to gain an open seat in an area of strength for the Party, how, pray tell, could you “have expected more losses”? I should have made it clearer that I was referring to 2022 and not just last night. The CON have a series of serious inter-related problems that are damaging them from differing directions. Those will not be easy to cure. Then there is the tiredness of the administration after 12-years, Brexit woes, Covid-exhaustion and an unhealthy incidence of scandal and simple poor quality behaviour and competence. Against that background, what is your opinion for the very indifferent performance by LAB? If you can't sweep all before you in these circumstances when on earth will you be able to succeed? It is interesting you refer to an administration of 12 years. The first 2-and-a-bit years of the current administration have largely been spent reversing/weakening policies of the period 2010-2015. E.g. Overseas Aid, the Triple Lock on pensions and the FTPA. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Apr 8, 2022 12:54:13 GMT
Liverpool, Warbreck Lab 912 LD 874 Green 61 Con 46 Lib Dems looking perky in Warbreck. It sounds like cynghanedd but not sure it is. |
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Post by carlton43 on Apr 8, 2022 12:54:30 GMT
I should have made it clearer that I was referring to 2022 and not just last night. The CON have a series of serious inter-related problems that are damaging them from differing directions. Those will not be easy to cure. Then there is the tiredness of the administration after 12-years, Brexit woes, Covid-exhaustion and an unhealthy incidence of scandal and simple poor quality behaviour and competence. Against that background, what is your opinion for the very indifferent performance by LAB? If you can't sweep all before you in these circumstances when on earth will you be able to succeed? It is interesting you refer to an administration of 12 years. The first 2-and-a-bit years of the current administration have largely been spent reversing/weakening policies of the period 2010-2015. E.g. Overseas Aid, the Triple Lock on pensions and the FTPA. Agreed. An Administration of varying hues and persuasions. Looked back upon now most must crave the return of Cameron for competence and economic conservatism plus a raft of policies that made sense and won votes, even though many were no to my taste. Since then there has been a vile mixture of incompetence, maladministration, bad behaviour, dithering, doing the wrong thing for the wrong reasons and reneging on just about everything that matters to me. The shift on the Triple Lock and the failure to control Immigration, the lockdowns and Covid-incompetence and embracing Green-ness have all been beyond witless and hugely damaging to their chances of re-election. The reversal on Overseas Aid and FTPA were both rare good moves in an otherwise dire set of policies. |
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Post by froome on Apr 8, 2022 12:56:11 GMT
Are there any Green councillors who have been around for 20 years? A bit of an unfair question I know because the Green Party has only become relatively successful much more recently, but I do get the impression (and it is not based on any analysis) that Green councillors tend to be more ephemeral than their opponents. Susan Mallender (nee Blount) in Lady Bay, Rushcliffe has been for at least 19 years. In Scotland, if re-elected and serve their full term, both Martha Wardrop (Glasgow) and Steve Burgess (Edinburgh) will hit 20 years (considering we only had our first councillors elected in 2007, this is as early as could be). Quite. 20 years ago we would have had well under 100 councillors nationwide (probably less than 50). But there will be a few who are still around, e.g.the Blackburns in Leeds and Andrew Cooper in Kirklees must have been councillors for about that length of time by now. The reference above was to John Marjoram in Stroud who retired after having served as a Green councillor for at least 30 years. |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Apr 8, 2022 12:59:28 GMT
There’s a difference between blaming and factoring in; if you want to use North Shropshire as an example, clearly many Tories stayed home or switched to the LDs in protest at Paterson’s behaviour, whereas the snoozefest in Old Bexley and Sidcup was partly down to residual support and sympathy for James Brokenshire not driving Tories away or giving them a reason to stay at home. It’s never a perfect theory - Chesham and Amersham was an exception - and there are often other extenuating factors (planning law reform in C&A) but it would be foolish to discount the circumstances of a by-election as a factor in the result - indeed some of this parish are attributing Labour’s performance in Telford to the selection of the deceased councillor’s widower, and not to the wider political environment. In this lot of elections, the Tory candidate in Mid Devon was the wife of the sitting Tory councillor for the ward - LibDems still won. There's sometimes (not always) a sympathy vote for a widow/widower candidate. Fielding the spouse of a sitting councillor can (often) be a drag on the vote as some see it as cliquey. |
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Post by Robert Waller on Apr 8, 2022 13:02:29 GMT
Horsham result, from SE Green Party 1281 Green 943 Conservative 453 LibDem Storrington and Washington (Horsham) council by-election result: GRN: 47.9% (+47.9) CON: 35.2% (-16.1) LDEM: 16.9% (-13.5) No Lab (-18.2) as prev. Votes cast: 2,677 Green GAIN from Conservative. |
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Post by Tony Otim on Apr 8, 2022 13:09:34 GMT
Susan Mallender (nee Blount) in Lady Bay, Rushcliffe has been for at least 19 years. In Scotland, if re-elected and serve their full term, both Martha Wardrop (Glasgow) and Steve Burgess (Edinburgh) will hit 20 years (considering we only had our first councillors elected in 2007, this is as early as could be). Quite. 20 years ago we would have had well under 100 councillors nationwide (probably less than 50). But there will be a few who are still around, e.g.the Blackburns in Leeds and Andrew Cooper in Kirklees must have been councillors for about that length of time by now. The reference above was to John Marjoram in Stroud who retired after having served as a Green councillor for at least 30 years. When was Thomas Leimdorfer in Congresbury first elected? He must have been there for a while before retiring? |
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Post by froome on Apr 8, 2022 13:17:12 GMT
Quite. 20 years ago we would have had well under 100 councillors nationwide (probably less than 50). But there will be a few who are still around, e.g.the Blackburns in Leeds and Andrew Cooper in Kirklees must have been councillors for about that length of time by now. The reference above was to John Marjoram in Stroud who retired after having served as a Green councillor for at least 30 years. When was Thomas Leimdorfer in Congresbury first elected? He must have been there for a while before retiring? Tom was, I think, the 4th Green councillor to represent that ward, so probably not as long as 20 years, though not far short. Richard Lawson was the first and Rosie Knifton either followed him or was the one after that. Can't remember who the other was (which could be embarrassing as I may know them  . |
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Post by andrewp on Apr 8, 2022 13:33:55 GMT
Quite. 20 years ago we would have had well under 100 councillors nationwide (probably less than 50). But there will be a few who are still around, e.g.the Blackburns in Leeds and Andrew Cooper in Kirklees must have been councillors for about that length of time by now. The reference above was to John Marjoram in Stroud who retired after having served as a Green councillor for at least 30 years. When was Thomas Leimdorfer in Congresbury first elected? He must have been there for a while before retiring? 2003. |
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Post by andrewp on Apr 8, 2022 13:36:43 GMT
Susan Mallender (nee Blount) in Lady Bay, Rushcliffe has been for at least 19 years. In Scotland, if re-elected and serve their full term, both Martha Wardrop (Glasgow) and Steve Burgess (Edinburgh) will hit 20 years (considering we only had our first councillors elected in 2007, this is as early as could be). Quite. 20 years ago we would have had well under 100 councillors nationwide (probably less than 50). But there will be a few who are still around, e.g.the Blackburns in Leeds and Andrew Cooper in Kirklees must have been councillors for about that length of time by now. The reference above was to John Marjoram in Stroud who retired after having served as a Green councillor for at least 30 years. John Marjoram served 1986-2021. |
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Post by Andrew_S on Apr 8, 2022 13:59:11 GMT
The South Hunsley result shouldn't come as a big surprise. An Amazon warehouse is to be built within the ward - that part of the A63 corridor is NIMBY central, full of Hyacinth Bucket types. The LDs latched on to this and turned it into pretty much the only issue in the election. It does when Andrew Teale says "South Hunsley ward has returned Conservative councillors throughout this century and is now a very safe ward for the party. " Granted we held it up until 2003, but we'd fallen back to third in 2011 and 2015, and were still a pretty distant second last time out. If an effective single-issue campaign is the way to get back in, then so be it, that's how politics works sometimes. It worked very well for the LDs in Chesham & Amersham.  |
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Post by bridgyoldboy on Apr 8, 2022 15:54:39 GMT
So a pretty unremittingly awful set of results for the Tories, with the sole exception of High Peak. Which does make you wonder even more what happened there. Having looked back at the 2015 result Labour picked up 31% of the vote so did slightly better last night but still lost I assume the former Labour Councillor had a very strong personal vote. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Apr 8, 2022 16:34:39 GMT
So a pretty unremittingly awful set of results for the Tories, with the sole exception of High Peak. Which does make you wonder even more what happened there. Having looked back at the 2015 result Labour picked up 31% of the vote so did slightly better last night but still lost I assume the former Labour Councillor had a very strong personal vote. According to Andrew’s Previews he was “elected for this ward in 1995, 2011 and most recently in 2019. He made his career in teaching and education, but he was also one of the prime movers in Buxton’s important cultural scene: Savage was a trustee of the Buxton Festival Fringe for 15 years and was a founding member of another local arts charity, Buxton Film”, so it’s probably a factor. |
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