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Post by WJ on Apr 4, 2022 14:23:08 GMT
Looked up the entirely Roma village in the south whose population pyramid is cited in the demographics of Hungary page... 94% FIDESZ, 5% opposition alliance. Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2022 15:13:27 GMT
I don't think that's correct .
The earliest reference i can find to a 'progressive alliance' is in the Evening Standard in November 1894, which refers to a Progressive Alliance of England and er....Russia. But laughter in the dark aside...
At a British political level Progressive Alliances between Labour and others are also referred to also in 1894/5, and the first warning against them on the left at almost exactly the same time, with reference to a vestry election in London.
I think you are referring to what was called at the time (first ref 1902) "Moderate-Progressive alliances" ie those between the Tories (Moderates) and Progressives (Liberals). So roughly contemporary, but not the same thing.
The Progressive Alliance in 1920s/1930s Sheffield were Liberal Party and Conservative Party candidiates "sharing out" seats to avoid splitting the vote with the aim of preventing "the Socialists", ie, Labour candidates, getting on the council. It morphed into the Citizens' Association. It was so successful, that Labour ran the council continuously from 1926 for all but 7 years, and destroyed William Clegg's Liberal Party for decades. Hmmm… I think we should make more alliances with the Lib (Dems). It seems to work out alright. 😉 |
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Post by finsobruce on Apr 4, 2022 15:18:45 GMT
The Progressive Alliance in 1920s/1930s Sheffield were Liberal Party and Conservative Party candidiates "sharing out" seats to avoid splitting the vote with the aim of preventing "the Socialists", ie, Labour candidates, getting on the council. It morphed into the Citizens' Association. It was so successful, that Labour ran the council continuously from 1926 for all but 7 years, and destroyed William Clegg's Liberal Party for decades. Hmmm… I think we should make more alliances with the Lib (Dems). It seems to work out alright. 😉 There was a young lady of Riga Who went for a ride on a tiger They returned from the ride With the lady inside. And a smile on the face of the tiger. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2022 15:22:17 GMT
On the election: It’s a bad result for Ukraine, as Orban himself has effectively admitted; and a shred of good news for Putin.
What is Hungarian opinion on the war? In terms of taking sides / supplies / sanctions / refugees etc?
It seems random that there should be any notable pro-Russian sentiment in Hungary when it seems to be outweighed in other Eastern European countries by suspicion and fear. Particularly given the 1956 Uprising and the subsequent repression.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2022 15:27:51 GMT
Hmmm… I think we should make more alliances with the Lib (Dems). It seems to work out alright. 😉 There was a young lady of Riga Who went for a ride on a tiger They returned from the ride With the lady inside. And a smile on the face of the tiger. The question is, did the tiger have blue stripes or red stripes? I can see the same fate awaiting the Liberal lady regardless of which pussy it is (as Mrs Slocombe would say). |
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Post by finsobruce on Apr 4, 2022 15:31:45 GMT
There was a young lady of Riga Who went for a ride on a tiger They returned from the ride With the lady inside. And a smile on the face of the tiger. The question is, did the tiger have blue stripes or red stripes? I can see the same fate awaiting the Liberal lady regardless of which pussy it is (as Mrs Slocombe would say). The Lesser Spotted Coalition Tiger *
*Lesser Striped?
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 4, 2022 18:41:37 GMT
Looked up the entirely Roma village in the south whose population pyramid is cited in the demographics of Hungary page... 94% FIDESZ, 5% opposition alliance. Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas... Orban has an interesting relationship with Roma. There have been past reports alleging Fidesz turning up in Roma villages with food and drink at election time. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Apr 4, 2022 20:07:30 GMT
Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas... Orban has an interesting relationship with Roma. There have been past reports alleging Fidesz turning up in Roma villages with food and drink at election time. yes, and allegations of open, blatant vote buying in se europe usually involve Roma settlements. That said the turnout here was perfectly unremarkable. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2022 20:34:09 GMT
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Post by greenhert on Apr 4, 2022 21:42:50 GMT
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Post by rcronald on Apr 5, 2022 3:40:15 GMT
Zelenskyy urged Hungarians to vote against Orban, so it’s not shocking that Orban is angry. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 8, 2022 15:12:51 GMT
How the FPTP were distributed by Fidesz and KDNP in - nota bene - 2018:  |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 8, 2022 15:14:06 GMT
...and 2022:  |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 8, 2022 16:33:57 GMT
How the FPTP were distributed by Fidesz and KDNP in - nota bene - 2018: I wondered what that long, obviously gerrymandered constituency was. Then to my embarrassment I realised it is Lake Balaton. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 8, 2022 17:43:00 GMT
How the FPTP were distributed by Fidesz and KDNP in - nota bene - 2018: I wondered what that long, obviously gerrymandered constituency was. Then to my embarrassment I realised it is Lake Balaton. Know that lake very good - after all CAROLUS MAGNUS made it once the eastern border of the archDiocese Salzburg... |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 9, 2022 1:46:52 GMT
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 9, 2022 1:51:37 GMT
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Apr 9, 2022 11:57:47 GMT
So, what % of the Hungarian people can we now denounce as fascist scum from our ivory towers? Or instead, can some #FBPE Remoaner indicate to me why Brexit was a rejection of tolerant progressive values? There was quite an interesting shift in narrative. How is that Jobbik, who were very obviously fashy, suddenly became an acceptable part of the opposition? Why did British newspapers that decried them a couple of years ago not question their presence on this coalition ticket? |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 9, 2022 15:17:29 GMT
So, what % of the Hungarian people can we now denounce as fascist scum from our ivory towers? Or instead, can some #FBPE Remoaner indicate to me why Brexit was a rejection of tolerant progressive values? There was quite an interesting shift in narrative. How is that Jobbik, who were very obviously fashy, suddenly became an acceptable part of the opposition? Why did British newspapers that decried them a couple of years ago not question their presence on this coalition ticket? Reminds me of my Austria: Whenever ÖVP tried it with the FPÖ, there was wide outRage in the foreign press, causing every time (1949; 1986 [Waldheim]; 2000; less so 2017) lots of damage for the country's reputation abroad; but not, when SPÖ actually formed a coalition in 1983 or offered so in 1970 (and - as it came out - 2017) or voted along with them in parliament in the 1960ies. Or had lots of exNazis as ministers (Kreisky's first cabinet had at least 3, including 1 from the SS). Leaving aside the open antiSemitism of SPÖ-politicians like Schärf, Helmer aso. (yes, after 1945!). Or certain slogans ("Who has been a nationalistic socialist before, will be an internationalistic socialist now!" "Who has voted for an Adolf once, will vote for an Adolf [Schärf, in the presidential election] again!"). |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Apr 11, 2022 1:12:21 GMT
Pollsters' perFormance:  So Médian did best - but nota bene not in their final one - by having the lowest deViations per polled party from the actual OutCome. |
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