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Post by andrew111 on Jan 12, 2022 13:30:11 GMT
Ooh! That begs a point of order! It may be that on some hyper precise interpretation of "linear predecessor" your statement is correct. However Huddersfield was created in 1983 out of Huddersfield E and W, and has had only one MP so far. There was a previous Huddersfield seat in existence up to 1950, so presumably you are calling that a "linear predecessor". Your other point then breaks down since there are recently created seats such as York Outer that have no linear precedecessors and have been represented by only one MP. There are such seats (wherever a county gained a seat) but York Outer isn't technically one of them but the successor seat of Vale of York. It is not called Vale of York and contains parts of three other predecessor seats. If Vale of York is a "linear predecessor", then so is Huddersfield East (or West) to Huddersfield |
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Post by minionofmidas on Jan 12, 2022 13:49:48 GMT
There are such seats (wherever a county gained a seat) but York Outer isn't technically one of them but the successor seat of Vale of York. It is not called Vale of York and contains parts of three other predecessor seats. If Vale of York is a "linear predecessor", then so is Huddersfield East (or West) to Huddersfield Presumably, but I would have had to pore over maps to say which one (before my time) so I didn't comment on Huddersfield. Thing is, just as you said there are numbers of seats for which a search for predecessor seats (and successor seats) breaks down completely. |
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Post by Tony Otim on Jan 12, 2022 13:58:13 GMT
There are such seats (wherever a county gained a seat) but York Outer isn't technically one of them but the successor seat of Vale of York. It is not called Vale of York and contains parts of three other predecessor seats. If Vale of York is a "linear predecessor", then so is Huddersfield East (or West) to Huddersfield I think Huddersfield East was being counted as the linear predecessor (and descendant) of Huddersfield, which still works with there only having been 2 MPs with Sheerman taking over from Mallalieu (who had been MP since 1945) in 1979. |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 12, 2022 13:58:56 GMT
Huddersfield East is unambiguously the predecessor seat of Huddersfield
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Post by Richard Allen on Jan 12, 2022 14:29:42 GMT
Huddersfield East is unambiguously the predecessor seat of Huddersfield Indeed it is and that is quite obviously what batman was referring to in his post. Even if someone isn't familiar with the precise boundaries the fact that Joseph Mallalieu represented a seat called Huddersfield and then a seat called Huddersfield East with Barry Sheerman then representing a seat called Huddersfield East followed by one called Huddersfield really should be a bit of a give away. |
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Post by andrew111 on Jan 12, 2022 15:05:54 GMT
It is not called Vale of York and contains parts of three other predecessor seats. If Vale of York is a "linear predecessor", then so is Huddersfield East (or West) to Huddersfield I think Huddersfield East was being counted as the linear predecessor (and descendant) of Huddersfield, which still works with there only having been 2 MPs with Sheerman taking over from Mallalieu (who had been MP since 1945) in 1979. Well, it is all a bit sailor's knife but I agree that Huddersfield Town centre has only been represented by two MPs since the war, even if not some of the inner suburbs like Paddock that have also been in a constituency called Huddersfield for all that period |
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Post by samdwebber on Jan 12, 2022 17:15:28 GMT
It is not called Vale of York and contains parts of three other predecessor seats. If Vale of York is a "linear predecessor", then so is Huddersfield East (or West) to Huddersfield I think Huddersfield East was being counted as the linear predecessor (and descendant) of Huddersfield, which still works with there only having been 2 MPs with Sheerman taking over from Mallalieu (who had been MP since 1945) in 1979. This leads me to think about MPs still serving who served in the 1970s. Without cheating I can think of Margaret Beckett, Sir Peter Bottomley and Barry Sheerman. Are there any others from 1979 election or previous still in the Commons? |
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Post by andrewp on Jan 12, 2022 17:20:57 GMT
I think Huddersfield East was being counted as the linear predecessor (and descendant) of Huddersfield, which still works with there only having been 2 MPs with Sheerman taking over from Mallalieu (who had been MP since 1945) in 1979. This leads me to think about MPs still serving who served in the 1970s. Without cheating I can think of Margaret Beckett, Sir Peter Bottomley and Barry Sheerman. Are there any others from 1979 election or previous still in the Commons? No. Just those three. |
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Post by samdwebber on Jan 12, 2022 22:33:16 GMT
Ok that's good. Miss Ken Clarke and Dennis Skinner's Commons contributions.
Also I've been following PMQs and Commons set pieces long enough to remember Sir Peter Tapsell's interventions too! Quite a character.
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Post by 🏴☠️ Neath West 🏴☠️ on Jan 12, 2022 22:43:35 GMT
At 'Uddersfield, at 'Uddersfield,
there was a cow that wouldn't yield.
The reason why she wouldn't yield?
She didn't like her udders feeled.
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Post by greenhert on Jan 12, 2022 23:36:02 GMT
It is not called Vale of York and contains parts of three other predecessor seats. If Vale of York is a "linear predecessor", then so is Huddersfield East (or West) to Huddersfield I think Huddersfield East was being counted as the linear predecessor (and descendant) of Huddersfield, which still works with there only having been 2 MPs with Sheerman taking over from Mallalieu (who had been MP since 1945) in 1979.Sir William Mallalieu, you mean. His brother Lance was also a Labour MP, for Brigg from 1948 to 1974 (and Liberal MP for Colne Valley from 1931 to 1935; his father Frederick represented that constituency as well from 1916 to 1922). No candidates with the surname Mallalieu have stood anywhere in any election since 1979 inclusive, on that note. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 13, 2022 0:02:29 GMT
I think Huddersfield East was being counted as the linear predecessor (and descendant) of Huddersfield, which still works with there only having been 2 MPs with Sheerman taking over from Mallalieu (who had been MP since 1945) in 1979.Sir William Mallalieu, you mean. His brother Lance was also a Labour MP, for Brigg from 1948 to 1974 (and Liberal MP for Colne Valley from 1931 to 1935; his father Frederick represented that constituency as well from 1916 to 1922). No candidates with the surname Mallalieu have stood anywhere in any election since 1979 inclusive, on that note. Sir William's daughter Ann Mallalieu was a Labour candidate in Hitchin in both 1974 elections, and has been a Labour peer since 1991. She's something of a Kate Hoey figure, having voted to leave the EU and being a very keen foxhunter. |
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Post by neilm on Jan 13, 2022 8:54:31 GMT
I think Huddersfield East was being counted as the linear predecessor (and descendant) of Huddersfield, which still works with there only having been 2 MPs with Sheerman taking over from Mallalieu (who had been MP since 1945) in 1979.Sir William Mallalieu, you mean. That was implicit, given that neither Mallalieu senior nor Mallalieu major represented seats from 1945, and had not represented Huddersfield. |
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Post by batman on Jan 13, 2022 12:41:12 GMT
Until the last election, both Bolsover & Coventry NW, plus their linear predecessors, had had only 2 postwar MPs. That now applies only to Huddersfield, and that will come to an end at the next election. Ooh! That begs a point of order! It may be that on some hyper precise interpretation of "linear predecessor" your statement is correct. However Huddersfield was created in 1983 out of Huddersfield E and W, and has had only one MP so far. There was a previous Huddersfield seat in existence up to 1950, so presumably you are calling that a "linear predecessor". Your other point then breaks down since there are recently created seats such as York Outer that have no linear precedecessors and have been represented by only one MP. It is arguable that the pre-1950 Huddersfield had 2 linear successors yes but it is clear that the present Huddersfield has more in common with the previous East than the previous West . I thought it was fairly obvious that I was referring only to seats which have existed at least in one form or another since WWIIE; it is correct that Outer York does not have a proper linear predecessor etc. |
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Post by batman on Jan 13, 2022 12:44:08 GMT
I think Huddersfield East was being counted as the linear predecessor (and descendant) of Huddersfield, which still works with there only having been 2 MPs with Sheerman taking over from Mallalieu (who had been MP since 1945) in 1979.Sir William Mallalieu, you mean. His brother Lance was also a Labour MP, for Brigg from 1948 to 1974 (and Liberal MP for Colne Valley from 1931 to 1935; his father Frederick represented that constituency as well from 1916 to 1922). No candidates with the surname Mallalieu have stood anywhere in any election since 1979 inclusive, on that note. I wasn't aware that he used the name William rather than Joseph. Often he was referred to by his initials. Dick Crossman in his diaries refers to him (not his brother Lance) as "Curly Mallalieu" |
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Post by timmullen1 on Jan 20, 2022 0:51:12 GMT
Seems like Labour may be going for a snap by-election, candidate applications are open until Friday, longlisting on Saturday, interviews for a shortlist on Sunday and Monday, Hustings on Wednesday.
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Post by greenhert on Jan 20, 2022 22:15:11 GMT
Seems like Labour may be going for a snap by-election, candidate applications are open until Friday, longlisting on Saturday, interviews for a shortlist on Sunday and Monday, Hustings on Wednesday. Which means that the by-election will likely be moved for March, as some of us predicted earlier. |
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Post by southernliberal on Jan 20, 2022 22:57:40 GMT
Seems like Labour may be going for a snap by-election, candidate applications are open until Friday, longlisting on Saturday, interviews for a shortlist on Sunday and Monday, Hustings on Wednesday. This makes sense, Labour are riding high in the polls right now so would not only guarantee a safe hold but also likely an increased majority with a by-election asap, and also probably don't want to draw too much focus away from the council elections in May. |
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Post by jamie on Jan 21, 2022 0:02:22 GMT
This makes sense, Labour are riding high in the polls right now so would not only guarantee a safe hold but also likely an increased majority with a by-election asap, and also probably don't want to draw too much focus away from the council elections in May. Given the state of Birmingham Council, wouldn't the distraction of a Parliamentary by-election by a positive for Labour? |
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Post by timmullen1 on Jan 21, 2022 1:40:38 GMT
This makes sense, Labour are riding high in the polls right now so would not only guarantee a safe hold but also likely an increased majority with a by-election asap, and also probably don't want to draw too much focus away from the council elections in May. Given the state of Birmingham Council, wouldn't the distraction of a Parliamentary by-election by a positive for Labour? Debatable; we found in 2015 when the General was on the same day as the Council elections, the Labour council was so unpopular it was a drag on the Parliamentary vote - unless we were prepared to basically disown the ruling Labour group people were refusing to vote for Flello even if it meant losing the seat, which we very nearly did. |
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