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Post by Georg Ebner on Nov 20, 2023 21:37:07 GMT
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Post by Georg Ebner on Nov 20, 2023 21:37:28 GMT
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Post by J.G.Harston on Nov 20, 2023 22:04:21 GMT
OK, I know he does not have congress, but he has a whopping mandate for them to justify blocking. He will deliver on Dollarisation. I think he will visit the Falklands. Hard to cut the military, but just why does Argentina need armed forces? Who are its threats? When have they ever killed anyone other than Argentinians? There was the long running dispute with Chile over the Beagle islands. And Chile in general (or generals). Well, Tierra del Fuego is where geology gets in the way of geography. Boundaries down there are always going to be messy. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 20, 2023 22:53:40 GMT
Milei says that he is going to try to go to Washington before inauguration. And Israel. Which is presumably another shot at the Kirchnerites and their dealings with Iran.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 21, 2023 6:16:01 GMT
Looking further into what Milei said, and the press stories are utterly ridiculous. He followed up this sentence by saying "but we fought a war-and lost". He then explained that any attempts to take the Falklands would need the consent of their inhabitants, an almost taboo idea for the Peronists, before stating that this was unlikely "because they like living in a developed country, and not the miserable state we find ourselves in". He was then of course roundly condemned by the Peronists for even suggesting that the Falklanders might have a say and for ruling out combat. Such is the hysteria about this man that he is taking the flak for his opponents' views (and actions!), whilst they get painted as cuddly moderates. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Nov 21, 2023 7:16:17 GMT
After all of that, he is the first Argentine President in history who may be able to negotiate something on sovereignty with the UK
If the UK argues sovereignty depends on the populace, then he can argue, OK, so uninhabited South Georgia, what's that about?
He can discuss Antarctic claims, with the UK and Chile. He can discuss fishing and mineral rights.
He can offer transport links and kill with kindness. He can offer Argentine passports and state education to those who want it, at approx zero cost.
Y'know that sort of far-right stuff.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 21, 2023 8:41:30 GMT
One wag did suggest a one country two systems approach, whereby Argentina gets to keep its distinctive character for a period but ultimately ends up being forced under the will of Port Stanley.
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Post by Georg Ebner on Nov 21, 2023 9:24:31 GMT
PollsterPerormances in the runOff:  With a deViation from the actual result per polled party of only 0.7% Altica did best (and was n.b. the only poll, which overestimated Milei). Explanans came soon behind with 0.75%. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Nov 21, 2023 9:28:17 GMT
In a country like Argentina someone like Mr.Milei received amusingly the highest number of votes of all presidential candidates so far.
And the highest vote-% for exactly 50 years.
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Post by ibfc on Nov 21, 2023 11:59:22 GMT
One wag did suggest a one country two systems approach, whereby Argentina gets to keep its distinctive character for a period but ultimately ends up being forced under the will of Port Stanley. I think Milei won’t mind that. His contempt for the bulk of his country and their political choices is awe inspiring. |
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Post by rcronald on Nov 21, 2023 12:11:08 GMT
One wag did suggest a one country two systems approach, whereby Argentina gets to keep its distinctive character for a period but ultimately ends up being forced under the will of Port Stanley. I think Milei won’t mind that. His contempt for the bulk of his country and their political choices is awe inspiring. Contempt for Peronists and Peronism seems like a uniting feature of this forum (and almost every sane outsider regardless of general political views ). 🙂 |
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 21, 2023 13:17:55 GMT
One wag did suggest a one country two systems approach, whereby Argentina gets to keep its distinctive character for a period but ultimately ends up being forced under the will of Port Stanley. I think Milei won’t mind that. His contempt for the bulk of his country and their political choices is awe inspiring. Though this would be an "interesting" way to actually govern. |
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Post by uthacalthing on Nov 21, 2023 15:11:32 GMT
As with the UK, the problem is speed, how to get over the point where the damage to vested interests, (which almost everyone thinks is them, pensioners, women, teachers, civil servants, the military, the diplomatic service, people on benefits, companies that receive government contracts) is replaced by the benefit to almost all of society
You stop pouring swill into the trough and tell them to forage for truffles. If enough of them find truffles in time they will be like a pig among muck.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 21, 2023 17:16:28 GMT
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 21, 2023 17:35:45 GMT
A very clear and helpful article, thanks. |
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Nov 21, 2023 17:38:11 GMT
A very clear and helpful article, thanks. Quite frightening, really. It really shows that the scale of the problems the country faces. |
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Post by rcronald on Nov 21, 2023 18:21:30 GMT
A very clear and helpful article, thanks. Quite frightening, really. It really shows that the scale of the problems the country faces. A truly dire situation, with no clear way out outside of some ‘moochers’ literally starving… |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Nov 21, 2023 18:32:04 GMT
A very clear and helpful article, thanks. Quite frightening, really. It really shows that the scale of the problems the country faces. I have to slightly question the assertion that no-one working in the public sector or who is self-employed is contributing to social spending and social security. But maybe a 44:56 society didn't sound so sexy. |
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Post by rcronald on Nov 21, 2023 18:52:57 GMT
Quite frightening, really. It really shows that the scale of the problems the country faces. I have to slightly question the assertion that no-one working in the public sector or who is self-employed is contributing to social spending and social security. But maybe a 44:56 society didn't sound so sexy. The Unions are probably too strong for most public sector workers to be net contributors, and I suspect that many of the self-employed don’t actually pay taxes. |
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Post by Georg Ebner on Nov 21, 2023 21:26:18 GMT
I have to slightly question the assertion that no-one working in the public sector or who is self-employed is contributing to social spending and social security. But maybe a 44:56 society didn't sound so sexy. The Unions are probably too strong for most public sector workers to be net contributors, and I suspect that many of the self-employed don’t actually pay taxes. Oh, far worse: "La proliferación de parásitos se llama crecimiento del sector terciario de la economía." (GOMEZ DAVILA) |
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