timmullen1
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Post by timmullen1 on Oct 26, 2021 21:42:23 GMT
It is the longest held Conservative seat in the UK, with Thirsk & Malton not far behind. I thought that was Horsham? Horsham went Liberal in an 1876 by-election (James Clifton-Brown, grandfather of current The Cotswolds member Sir Geoffrey).
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WJ
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Post by WJ on Oct 26, 2021 22:04:24 GMT
And North Shropshire (as is) was split between the constituencies of Oswestry and Newport between 1885-1910. Oswestry went Liberal in the 1904 byelection and Newport went Liberal in the 1885 election.
Edit: Unless by longest, we are talking about longest held, rather than longest interrupted stretch?
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Post by stb12 on Oct 26, 2021 22:18:15 GMT
Losing someone so close to you by suicide must be extremely hard to process even after a while so i’d be inclined to think it’s a case of lashing out rather than a specific plot to weaponise his wife’s death
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Post by greenhert on Oct 26, 2021 22:20:18 GMT
I am counting the 1983-2010 constituency of Ryedale as Thirsk & Malton for this purpose. Then haven't you forgotten about a certain by-election? I have not. By-elections have been discounted for this purpose.
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Khunanup
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Post by Khunanup on Oct 26, 2021 23:57:57 GMT
Losing someone so close to you by suicide must be extremely hard to process even after a while so i’d be inclined to think it’s a case of lashing out rather than a specific plot to weaponise his wife’s death I'd tend to agree. I hope he has taken up proper bereavement and mental health support because blaming his wife's death on different things at different times points to his probably not having properly dealt with it and still looking for a reason. It can very easily eat away at you if you just try to look for someone or something to blame because the most difficult reality of suicide is only the person who carried it out knows why they did it.
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Post by neilm on Oct 27, 2021 0:01:41 GMT
I looked up the Ryedale by election because something at the back of my mind was nagging at me. Elizabeth Shields only lost her council seat in 2019: I remember reading that a former MP had lost/stepped down at the time but couldn't remember who it was. She's 93.
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Post by greatkingrat on Oct 27, 2021 0:13:47 GMT
Has the House/Government ever refused to endorse the Committee’s recommended sanction? I wonder if the motion will be put to a division. The House of Lords rejected the motion to suspend Lord Lester of Herne Hill relating to sexual harassment complaints 101-78 in November 2018 (he subsequently retired anyway).
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Post by ibnu on Oct 27, 2021 6:20:43 GMT
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Max
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Post by Max on Oct 27, 2021 7:24:48 GMT
I thought that was Horsham? Horsham went Liberal in an 1876 by-election (James Clifton-Brown, grandfather of current The Cotswolds member Sir Geoffrey). That sounded a bit too much of a stretch. Although he did have a grandson called Geoffrey Clifton-Brown, the current GCB is his great-great-grandson. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Clifton_Brown
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Rural Radical
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Post by Rural Radical on Oct 27, 2021 9:21:53 GMT
Labour used to be very strong in Market Drayton
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Oct 27, 2021 9:24:52 GMT
Has the House/Government ever refused to endorse the Committee’s recommended sanction? I wonder if the motion will be put to a division. EDIT: Just read this in The Guardian: Notionally, motions to censure politicians based on recommendations from the standards committee require a formal vote, but one is not normally called, and it goes through “on the nod”.
But Paterson said the investigation was biased and “offends against the basic standard of procedural fairness”, adding it played a “major role” in driving his wife, Rose, to kill herself last summer.
He said: “Parliament’s internal system of justice needs to operate properly within the principles of natural justice.” Paterson is expected to contest the committee and commissioner’s report when the government calls a vote on the floor of the Commons next week on adopting their findings.
One ally of Paterson’s said he had been “stitched up”. They told the Guardian: “He’s already lost everything. His reputation and seat are the only things he has left, so he’s going to fight this.”
The MP also said they were certain colleagues would join Paterson in voting against the motion to suspend him. They said the fact the commissioner and the committee had declined to take oral evidence from 17 witnesses was evidence of a dodgy investigation. However, the committee said it already had written statements from them.
Downing Street offered no direct criticism of Paterson, with Boris Johnson’s spokesman saying “the standards regime is a matter for the House of Commons” and that the prime minister was “mindful of the pain faced by the Paterson family”. The spokesman also refused to confirm he thought the standards commissioner and committee’s system of scrutinising MPs’ behaviour was fit for purpose.I would be surprised if they did so on this occasion. As it stands, this story will be forgotten by Friday and they would be overwhelmingly favoured in a by-election, with or without Paterson as the candidate. If the government tried to vote down the recommendation then it would become a story with much more cut-through and would tie into existing attack lines against the government. I could see many of Paterson's allies voting against the report and the bulk of Tory MPs abstaining, but I think an organised effort from the whips office to defeat it would be unlikely.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 27, 2021 9:30:45 GMT
Labour used to be very strong in Market Drayton Labour was only just over 2,000 votes from winning in 1997 - though that narrow margin was helped by the loss of John Biffen's personal vote built up over 36 years.
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Post by liverpoolliberal on Oct 27, 2021 9:43:39 GMT
The problem for the greens is that they only have presence in Oswestry, and basically none in the rest of the seat. The overall shares in the seat from earlier this year were Con 53.7% LD 19.5% Grn 8.1% Lab 7.9%, which is mainly from the greens and labour not standing in most of the seats due to poor local organisation.
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Post by Rural Radical on Oct 27, 2021 10:26:57 GMT
Labour used to be very strong in Market Drayton Labour was only just over 2,000 votes from winning in 1997 - though that narrow margin was helped by the loss of John Biffen's personal vote built up over 36 years. The Conservatives were helped by there being no obvious challenger after the 1992 election (Labour were a close 3rd)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2021 12:01:22 GMT
Labour was only just over 2,000 votes from winning in 1997 - though that narrow margin was helped by the loss of John Biffen's personal vote built up over 36 years. The Conservatives were helped by there being no obvious challenger after the 1992 election (Labour were a close 3rd) This. The Tories were defeated in every other Shropshire seat in 2001 - there wasn't sufficient coalescing in North.
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European Lefty
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Post by European Lefty on Oct 27, 2021 12:12:35 GMT
It is the longest held Conservative seat in the UK, with Thirsk & Malton not far behind. I thought that was Horsham? The ERS used to claim it was N Shropshire until a couple of years ago (presumably someone "discovered" the by-election) but I can't remember if they decided what the actual record holder was
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Post by carlton43 on Oct 27, 2021 12:32:57 GMT
Labour used to be very strong in Market Drayton Not in the Constitutional Club they weren't!
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Post by andrewp on Oct 27, 2021 12:38:25 GMT
The Conservatives were helped by there being no obvious challenger after the 1992 election (Labour were a close 3rd) This. The Tories were defeated in every other Shropshire seat in 2001 - there wasn't sufficient coalescing in North. Owen Paterson’s share went up 8% in 2001, mostly at the expense of the Lib Dem’s. He got 48.6% so would have won however the opposition vote had split. Presumably such local activists as the Lib Dem’s had in Shropshire North were busy away in Ludlow. The Conservatives got a lower share in winning Shropshire North in 1997 than they did in winning Ludlow. It presumably made all the difference to the Lib Dem’s gaining Ludlow in 2001 that they had managed to stay narrowly ahead of Labour there in 1997.
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 27, 2021 16:29:24 GMT
A telling comment on Labour's lack of serious organisation in North Shropshire is that they hold two divisions on the unitary authority in the Ludlow constituency but none in North Shropshire, despite the latter having a consistently larger GE vote and despite Ludlow CLP being a notorious basket case. A partial plea of mitigation can be found in the fact that while the most naturally 'Labour' area in the Ludlow constituency is nicely concentrated in one division (Broseley) the roughly equivalent area in North Shropshire is split between two divisions in what is functionally a very effective anti-Labour gerrymander: quite probably a unified St Martins/Weston Rhyn division would have elected a Labour councillor earlier this year and if not it would have been close. But what sort of a town is Bridgnorth where Labour hold one seat out of four now? Well, it's an old market town with more industry and bigger council estates than outsiders would assume: in other words, it is very similar to all of the towns in North Shropshire. In the 1990s Labour had a decent organisation in Oswestry and also in Market Drayton. The former collapsed in vicious infighting about twenty years ago and has never recovered, while the latter was based around a single personality (much like present Labour local strength in Bridgnorth: it's the way these things go) and since his final exit from local politics has withered away.
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Post by Wisconsin on Oct 28, 2021 11:27:23 GMT
The motion on Paterson’s sanction will be voted on by the Commons on Wednesday 3 November. (After PMQs and a pesky 10 minute bill).
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