WJ
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Post by WJ on Oct 26, 2021 12:27:29 GMT
My understanding is that Labour machinery is in very poor shape in the constituency Its surely not impossible they could see a recall process as a way of gaining greater visibility. You would be better placed to report on Labour's strengths in the constituency than I would. But given the fact that the party cannot stump up local candidates to contest council seats in towns like Whitchurch or Oswestry* and use that as a "visibility" campaign, then I'm not sure they'll think that a recall petition will provide more of an opportunity. *Possible pact with the Greens in part of the town? Either way, not great for party visibility...
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Post by timrollpickering on Oct 26, 2021 12:50:17 GMT
If I were an opposition activist, I would push for Oswestry, Ellesmere, Wem, Whitchurch and Market Drayton for an absolute minimum. I'd also angle for places like Baschurch and Shawbury too, to cover the southern parts of the constituency, denizens of which, would be more likely to conduct their business in Shrewsbury rather than in the North Shropshire towns. Shouldn't it be based on what serves the electorate best not what opposition activists push for?
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peterl
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Post by peterl on Oct 26, 2021 16:12:35 GMT
As I understand the process, anyone already registered for a postal vote will automatically get sent a form in case they wish to sign. This will in itself make it fairly likely that 10% of people will sign since for many people it will require little effort.
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Sibboleth
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Post by Sibboleth on Oct 26, 2021 17:23:27 GMT
Isn't North Shropshire one of the longest held Tory seats anywhere in the country? I think they lost Oswestry in a by-election in 1904 but other than that it's been blue since 1835, one year after the Conservative Party was founded. Close-ish in 1997 though. The constituency was 'only' formed in 1918. The western half of the constituency was in a seat (called variously 'West Shropshire' and 'Oswestry') that extended as far south as Chirbury and Acton Burnell. The eastern half was in the Newport (and I think sometimes also known as 'East Shropshire', but not as frequently as the other was called 'West Shropshire') constituency which extended as far south as (but not including) Shrewsbury, Wellington and the Wenlock Borough, and sort of looped around them. Newport elected a Liberal in 1885 and a Conservative at every other election, though it was close in 1906. West Shropshire/Oswestry elected a Conservative at every General Election, but was lost at a famously violent by-election in 1904. As for the present constituency, though none of its MPs have actually been farmers it has been 'understood' for a very long time that the nomination belongs to the local NFU.
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Post by cogload on Oct 26, 2021 18:16:16 GMT
Eh?
Paterson told the Shropshire Star that the family had no inkling of what caused the tragic loss of his (late) wife. He then blamed covid for affecting her mental health.
In short he seems to be weaponising her death.
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Post by rcronald on Oct 26, 2021 18:49:05 GMT
Eh? Paterson told the Shropshire Star that the family had no inkling of what caused the tragic loss of his (late) wife. He then blamed covid for affecting her mental health. In short he seems to be weaponising her death. He is either getting real nervous or actually telling the truth….. (I want to give Owen the benefit of the doubt but the former looks much more likely then the latter)
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Post by WJ on Oct 26, 2021 19:08:07 GMT
Eh? *Tweet snip*Paterson told the Shropshire Star that the family had no inkling of what caused the tragic loss of his (late) wife. He then blamed covid for affecting her mental health. In short he seems to be weaponising her death. To be fair, he wasn't able to discuss the inquiry while it was ongoing, so he wouldn't have been able to link it to her death before now.
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Post by hugh01 on Oct 26, 2021 19:10:56 GMT
If I were an opposition activist, I would push for Oswestry, Ellesmere, Wem, Whitchurch and Market Drayton for an absolute minimum. I'd also angle for places like Baschurch and Shawbury too, to cover the southern parts of the constituency, denizens of which, would be more likely to conduct their business in Shrewsbury rather than in the North Shropshire towns. It is a matter for the Returning Officer and I wonder do they take any notice at all of representations from politcal parties as once they do they can be accused of being partisan.
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Post by ilerda on Oct 26, 2021 19:22:10 GMT
If I were an opposition activist, I would push for Oswestry, Ellesmere, Wem, Whitchurch and Market Drayton for an absolute minimum. I'd also angle for places like Baschurch and Shawbury too, to cover the southern parts of the constituency, denizens of which, would be more likely to conduct their business in Shrewsbury rather than in the North Shropshire towns. It is a matter for the Returning Officer and I wonder do they take any notice at all of representations from politcal parties as once they do they can be accused of being partisan. I suspect you’re right and they probably wouldn’t even consider hearing representations from activists and parties. It’s a matter of electoral administration and that’s for the RO to decide, within the confines of the law. I also think most objective, reasonable people would say those 5 towns is a perfectly reasonable and fair settlement.
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Post by CatholicLeft on Oct 26, 2021 19:38:49 GMT
Eh? Paterson told the Shropshire Star that the family had no inkling of what caused the tragic loss of his (late) wife. He then blamed covid for affecting her mental health. In short he seems to be weaponising her death. I found it all rather too uncomfortable when I heard him say this. I wish he hadn't.
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Oct 26, 2021 19:44:18 GMT
Eh? Paterson told the Shropshire Star that the family had no inkling of what caused the tragic loss of his (late) wife. He then blamed covid for affecting her mental health. In short he seems to be weaponising her death. I found it all rather too uncomfortable when I heard him say this. I wish he hadn't. TBF if my wife had committed suicide last year I doubt I'd be rational about it. I agree it was uncomfortable listening.
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Post by Wisconsin on Oct 26, 2021 19:56:38 GMT
His friends need to have a word with him.
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Post by Wisconsin on Oct 26, 2021 20:05:33 GMT
Has the House/Government ever refused to endorse the Committee’s recommended sanction? I wonder if the motion will be put to a division.
EDIT: Just read this in The Guardian:
Notionally, motions to censure politicians based on recommendations from the standards committee require a formal vote, but one is not normally called, and it goes through “on the nod”.
But Paterson said the investigation was biased and “offends against the basic standard of procedural fairness”, adding it played a “major role” in driving his wife, Rose, to kill herself last summer.
He said: “Parliament’s internal system of justice needs to operate properly within the principles of natural justice.” Paterson is expected to contest the committee and commissioner’s report when the government calls a vote on the floor of the Commons next week on adopting their findings.
One ally of Paterson’s said he had been “stitched up”. They told the Guardian: “He’s already lost everything. His reputation and seat are the only things he has left, so he’s going to fight this.”
The MP also said they were certain colleagues would join Paterson in voting against the motion to suspend him. They said the fact the commissioner and the committee had declined to take oral evidence from 17 witnesses was evidence of a dodgy investigation. However, the committee said it already had written statements from them.
Downing Street offered no direct criticism of Paterson, with Boris Johnson’s spokesman saying “the standards regime is a matter for the House of Commons” and that the prime minister was “mindful of the pain faced by the Paterson family”. The spokesman also refused to confirm he thought the standards commissioner and committee’s system of scrutinising MPs’ behaviour was fit for purpose.
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Post by greenhert on Oct 26, 2021 21:07:07 GMT
Isn't North Shropshire one of the longest held Tory seats anywhere in the country? I think they lost Oswestry in a by-election in 1904 but other than that it's been blue since 1835, one year after the Conservative Party was founded. Close-ish in 1997 though. It is the longest held Conservative seat in the UK, with Thirsk & Malton not far behind.
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Post by Khunanup on Oct 26, 2021 21:14:51 GMT
Has the House/Government ever refused to endorse the Committee’s recommended sanction? I wonder if the motion will be put to a division. EDIT: Just read this in The Guardian: Notionally, motions to censure politicians based on recommendations from the standards committee require a formal vote, but one is not normally called, and it goes through “on the nod”.
But Paterson said the investigation was biased and “offends against the basic standard of procedural fairness”, adding it played a “major role” in driving his wife, Rose, to kill herself last summer.
He said: “Parliament’s internal system of justice needs to operate properly within the principles of natural justice.” Paterson is expected to contest the committee and commissioner’s report when the government calls a vote on the floor of the Commons next week on adopting their findings.
One ally of Paterson’s said he had been “stitched up”. They told the Guardian: “He’s already lost everything. His reputation and seat are the only things he has left, so he’s going to fight this.”
The MP also said they were certain colleagues would join Paterson in voting against the motion to suspend him. They said the fact the commissioner and the committee had declined to take oral evidence from 17 witnesses was evidence of a dodgy investigation. However, the committee said it already had written statements from them.
Downing Street offered no direct criticism of Paterson, with Boris Johnson’s spokesman saying “the standards regime is a matter for the House of Commons” and that the prime minister was “mindful of the pain faced by the Paterson family”. The spokesman also refused to confirm he thought the standards commissioner and committee’s system of scrutinising MPs’ behaviour was fit for purpose.More disgraceful behaviour from the PM and others within the Conservative Party. This is a thorough investigation and report and Paterson has been found bang to rights. The PMs comments are again undermining organisations who hold people in his party to account and it wouldn't surprise me at all if this gets voted down by the Tories.
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Post by iainbhx on Oct 26, 2021 21:19:02 GMT
Isn't North Shropshire one of the longest held Tory seats anywhere in the country? I think they lost Oswestry in a by-election in 1904 but other than that it's been blue since 1835, one year after the Conservative Party was founded. Close-ish in 1997 though. It is the longest held Conservative seat in the UK, with Thirsk & Malton not far behind. Thirsk and Malton didn't even exist between 1983 and 2010.
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Post by greenhert on Oct 26, 2021 21:21:04 GMT
It is the longest held Conservative seat in the UK, with Thirsk & Malton not far behind. Thirsk and Malton didn't even exist between 1983 and 2010. I am counting the 1983-2010 constituency of Ryedale as Thirsk & Malton for this purpose.
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Post by Tony Otim on Oct 26, 2021 21:24:09 GMT
Thirsk and Malton didn't even exist between 1983 and 2010. I am counting the 1983-2010 constituency of Ryedale as Thirsk & Malton for this purpose. Then haven't you forgotten about a certain by-election?
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Post by iainbhx on Oct 26, 2021 21:24:58 GMT
Thirsk and Malton didn't even exist between 1983 and 2010. I am counting the 1983-2010 constituency of Ryedale as Thirsk & Malton for this purpose. Ah, your usual accuracy.
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Post by WJ on Oct 26, 2021 21:36:21 GMT
Isn't North Shropshire one of the longest held Tory seats anywhere in the country? I think they lost Oswestry in a by-election in 1904 but other than that it's been blue since 1835, one year after the Conservative Party was founded. Close-ish in 1997 though. It is the longest held Conservative seat in the UK, with Thirsk & Malton not far behind. I thought that was Horsham?
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