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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Oct 1, 2020 21:57:59 GMT
It's quite extraordinary for an MP to call for what was, until only a couple of hours ago, a party colleague to resign.
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Post by MacShimidh on Oct 1, 2020 22:20:05 GMT
It's quite extraordinary for an MP to call for what was, until only a couple of hours ago, a party colleague to resign. Yeah fair play to the Nats, I think they've handled this as well as they could have. It's up to her now
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Post by john07 on Oct 2, 2020 2:23:05 GMT
If Margaret Ferrier had gone to Barnard Castle, she could have pleaded the 'eye test' excuse?
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Oct 2, 2020 9:23:21 GMT
Orders from on high
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Post by Wisconsin on Oct 2, 2020 9:30:56 GMT
I’m sure the answer is somewhere in this thread/forum but I can’t find it right now.
Does the Coronavirus Act (or any secondary legislation) affect the timing of Westminster by-elections? It IfG says it does, but I couldn’t find the relevant provision in the Act.
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Post by Chris from Brum on Oct 2, 2020 9:32:33 GMT
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Post by Andrew_S on Oct 2, 2020 9:37:45 GMT
Sturgeon is probably annoyed that she doesn't have the power to order a by-election and that the final decision still rests with the individual MP.
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Post by ricmk on Oct 2, 2020 9:46:52 GMT
Sturgeon is probably annoyed that she doesn't have the power to order a by-election and that the final decision still rests with the individual MP. And by making her a pariah instantly, they don't really have any more leverage over her. She can either be an outcast out of a job, or an outcast with a secure salary and profile for 4 years. Would be very selfish, but you could see why she'd simply choose to tough it out - the only thing that could get her in that circumstance would be the parliamentary standards process outcome of a 14+ day suspension to trigger the recall process.
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Post by pragmaticidealist on Oct 2, 2020 9:57:07 GMT
She'll probably end up being a prominent figure in the No campaign a few years from now, as lynch-mobbing has that kind of effect.
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Post by Merseymike on Oct 2, 2020 10:07:23 GMT
Is it just me or are there others who couldn't care less one way or the other? And would now feel much the same with regard to any MP.
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Post by Forfarshire Conservative on Oct 2, 2020 10:18:37 GMT
She'll probably end up being a prominent figure in the No campaign a few years from now, as lynch-mobbing has that kind of effect. I think the widespread condemnation of her is justified. She was stridently against Cummings and now she's done something many, many times worse. She's played with fire, and has now burnt herself.
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Post by pl on Oct 2, 2020 10:26:41 GMT
Sturgeon is probably annoyed that she doesn't have the power to order a by-election and that the final decision still rests with the individual MP. And by making her a pariah instantly, they don't really have any more leverage over her. She can either be an outcast out of a job, or an outcast with a secure salary and profile for 4 years. Would be very selfish, but you could see why she'd simply choose to tough it out - the only thing that could get her in that circumstance would be the parliamentary standards process outcome of a 14+ day suspension to trigger the recall process. I suppose the book could be thrown at her for entering the Chamber with suspected Coronavirus. I do hope as well she will get the maximum fine for failure to quarantine after the positive test.
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Post by msc on Oct 2, 2020 10:32:42 GMT
She'll probably end up being a prominent figure in the No campaign a few years from now, as lynch-mobbing has that kind of effect. I think the widespread condemnation of her is justified. She was stridently against Cummings and now she's done something many, many times worse. She's played with fire, and has now burnt herself. Yeah, it's not just the usual partisans (no offence intended here) playing this up as a political thing. Not just her own leader, her own fellow MPs, SNP grassroots folk but I've even seen some of her own constituents - including ones who really rated her as a local MP - call for her to resign. Her position is completely untenable. And she's a bloody hypocrite.
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Post by timmullen1 on Oct 2, 2020 10:33:30 GMT
Is it just me or are there others who couldn't care less one way or the other? And would now feel much the same with regard to any MP. Hopefully it’s just you and the majority of the British public are neither so selfish or stupid.
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Post by thirdchill on Oct 2, 2020 10:42:08 GMT
And by making her a pariah instantly, they don't really have any more leverage over her. She can either be an outcast out of a job, or an outcast with a secure salary and profile for 4 years. Would be very selfish, but you could see why she'd simply choose to tough it out - the only thing that could get her in that circumstance would be the parliamentary standards process outcome of a 14+ day suspension to trigger the recall process. I suppose the book could be thrown at her for entering the Chamber with suspected Coronavirus. I do hope as well she will get the maximum fine for failure to quarantine after the positive test.This for me is the worst bit, especially getting the train. The stuff before the positive test showed poor judgement but would not have been a resigning matter in itself, beyond possibly having the whip withdrawn for a while. Getting the train after knowing you are positive, however, is what makes this much worse and possibly a resigning matter. A long enough suspension from the commons for a trigger recall ballot seems likely, and if that happens the recall is almost certain to succeed.
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Post by Devil Wincarnate on Oct 2, 2020 12:22:41 GMT
Is it just me or are there others who couldn't care less one way or the other? And would now feel much the same with regard to any MP. It's another case where lots of people will be completely outraged, whilst doing the same thing themselves repeatedly. I do think was bloody stupid though.
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Post by Wisconsin on Oct 2, 2020 12:33:37 GMT
Even if a recall was triggered, my understanding is the petition wouldn’t open for signatures until May 2021 at the earliest.
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Post by pragmaticidealist on Oct 2, 2020 12:34:51 GMT
Is it just me or are there others who couldn't care less one way or the other? And would now feel much the same with regard to any MP. I care in the sense that people in office flouting the rules has a useful drip drip effect on the public's (which, on average, estimates a 7% mortality rate) view of the seriousness of the virus. Getting back to 'normal' requires more than simply removing all restrictions.
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Oct 2, 2020 12:49:29 GMT
Recall petitions are covered by s. 62 of the Coronavirus Act 2020 and postponed until May 2021. The House of Commons would be unlikely to issue a writ for a byelection in the case of any vacancy, at present. I would have thought there must be a question mark over the May 2021 round of elections.
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Post by justin124 on Oct 2, 2020 13:14:07 GMT
Labour might fancy its chances of regaining this seat which was lost in 2019 - having been surprisingly won in 2017. Starmer would have to mount a very big effort here , and a Labour win could generate momentum in Scotland.
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