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Post by cj on Sept 11, 2020 20:29:21 GMT
Which are enacted and enforced by the government. Which weakens the whole body of laws and established procedures if it is perceived to be disregarding or altering existing laws or procedures at whim. Curiously, this used to be seen as a fundamental principle of conservatism. Conservatism isn't what it once was
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Post by greenchristian on Sept 11, 2020 20:36:35 GMT
Which weakens the whole body of laws and established procedures if it is perceived to be disregarding or altering existing laws or procedures at whim. Curiously, this used to be seen as a fundamental principle of conservatism. Conservatism isn't what it once was Not very conservative then, is it?
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Post by carlton43 on Sept 11, 2020 21:26:04 GMT
Which weakens the whole body of laws and established procedures if it is perceived to be disregarding or altering existing laws or procedures at whim. Curiously, this used to be seen as a fundamental principle of conservatism. Conservatism isn't what it once was Yes. Good isn't it?
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Post by cj on Sept 11, 2020 21:45:07 GMT
Conservatism isn't what it once was Yes. Good isn't it? As good as the original I'm sure, if you like that sort of thing
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Post by Harry Hayfield on Sept 12, 2020 5:58:25 GMT
Not a by-election (because he would be replaced by the next person on the list) but Richard Leonard MSP (Lab, Central Scotland) is having a vote of no confidence today, therefore if he lost would he storm out of the Parliament and refuse to campaign for Labour in the elections in May?
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Post by tonyhill on Sept 12, 2020 7:22:47 GMT
OK, this is a rumour that I heard yesterday. Johnson can't afford to meet all his domestic obligations on his Prime Minister's salary so is going to stand down in January. I can see a certain logic to this: he will have delivered Brexit which was his primary focus; it will be a godawful mess, but he has a long record of walking away from those; he was not anticipating his premiership getting enmired in the Coronavirus problem and is not going to want to be around when the inevitable public inquiries start pointing the finger; his illness has obviously left him even less capable or performing efficiently than he used to be; his performances at Prime Ministers Questions have been utterly lamentable and Starmer is just going to carry on plodding rings around him; and his popularity with the public has waned to the point where it has been replaced by an indifference that won't take much to tip over into the sort of permanent hostility now faced by Blair.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Sept 12, 2020 9:48:00 GMT
OK, this is a rumour that I heard yesterday. Johnson can't afford to meet all his domestic obligations on his Prime Minister's salary "Domestic obligations"? You mean he's got more maintainance payements to make than he can afford?
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Post by greenhert on Sept 12, 2020 10:39:32 GMT
OK, this is a rumour that I heard yesterday. Johnson can't afford to meet all his domestic obligations on his Prime Minister's salary so is going to stand down in January. I can see a certain logic to this: he will have delivered Brexit which was his primary focus; it will be a godawful mess, but he has a long record of walking away from those; he was not anticipating his premiership getting enmired in the Coronavirus problem and is not going to want to be around when the inevitable public inquiries start pointing the finger; his illness has obviously left him even less capable or performing efficiently than he used to be; his performances at Prime Ministers Questions have been utterly lamentable and Starmer is just going to carry on plodding rings around him; and his popularity with the public has waned to the point where it has been replaced by an indifference that won't take much to tip over into the sort of permanent hostility now faced by Blair. Similar rumours about Boris Johnson resigning the post of Prime Minister early have been circulating to some extent for approximately two months now but they are just hearsay and they are not backed up by credible evidence.
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Post by tonyhill on Sept 12, 2020 10:40:12 GMT
Given that his salary as Prime Minister is somewhere around £160,000 a year and the fees at Eton are £40,000 (I don't know that any of his offspring are going/go there) then you can see that there might be a slight disparity.
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Post by tonyhill on Sept 12, 2020 10:45:20 GMT
What credible evidence could there be? I remember everyone being gobsmacked the day that Harold Wilson resigned, and yet looking back there were clear arguments to suggest that he went at the right time as he was obviously no longer the intellect he had been. Not that that is to lavish any praise on Johnson's intellect. I wish Roy Jenkins was still around to deliver one of his withering verdicts on Johnson.
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Post by andrewteale on Sept 12, 2020 10:51:44 GMT
OK, this is a rumour that I heard yesterday. Johnson can't afford to meet all his domestic obligations on his Prime Minister's salary "Domestic obligations"? You mean he's got more maintainance payements to make than he can afford? The Child Support Act formula isn't based on affordability.
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Post by The Bishop on Sept 12, 2020 10:52:57 GMT
Johnson also has a colossal ego however, and may well think he can still turn things around - especially if Cummings is still whispering flattering things in his ear.
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Post by neilm on Sept 12, 2020 11:54:42 GMT
"Domestic obligations"? You mean he's got more maintainance payements to make than he can afford? The Child Support Act formula isn't based on affordability. Unless you've got some sort of old rules shared care POCSA deal. I had to handle one of them. He was a right arse about his arrears: I was almost tempted to try and get it to migrate to CS2 so I could break and send it clerical! (I appreciate this makes little sense to anyone else).
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Post by neilm on Sept 12, 2020 11:55:49 GMT
Not a by-election (because he would be replaced by the next person on the list) but Richard Leonard MSP (Lab, Central Scotland) is having a vote of no confidence today, therefore if he lost would he storm out of the Parliament and refuse to campaign for Labour in the elections in May? This is...unlikely.
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Post by andrewteale on Sept 12, 2020 12:07:29 GMT
The Child Support Act formula isn't based on affordability. Unless you've got some sort of old rules shared care POCSA deal. I had to handle one of them. He was a right arse about his arrears: I was almost tempted to try and get it to migrate to CS2 so I could break and send it clerical! (I appreciate this makes little sense to anyone else). Sadly (or otherwise) none of those old rules shared care POCSA deals are live any longer. The whole thing is 2012 scheme now and has been for some years.
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Post by bjornhattan on Sept 12, 2020 12:14:31 GMT
OK, this is a rumour that I heard yesterday. Johnson can't afford to meet all his domestic obligations on his Prime Minister's salary so is going to stand down in January. I can see a certain logic to this: he will have delivered Brexit which was his primary focus; it will be a godawful mess, but he has a long record of walking away from those; he was not anticipating his premiership getting enmired in the Coronavirus problem and is not going to want to be around when the inevitable public inquiries start pointing the finger; his illness has obviously left him even less capable or performing efficiently than he used to be; his performances at Prime Ministers Questions have been utterly lamentable and Starmer is just going to carry on plodding rings around him; and his popularity with the public has waned to the point where it has been replaced by an indifference that won't take much to tip over into the sort of permanent hostility now faced by Blair. Stand down just as Prime Minister or as MP as well? An Uxbridge and South Ruislip by-election could be an interesting affair.
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Post by neilm on Sept 12, 2020 12:46:37 GMT
Unless you've got some sort of old rules shared care POCSA deal. I had to handle one of them. He was a right arse about his arrears: I was almost tempted to try and get it to migrate to CS2 so I could break and send it clerical! (I appreciate this makes little sense to anyone else). Sadly (or otherwise) none of those old rules shared care POCSA deals are live any longer. The whole thing is 2012 scheme now and has been for some years. I got out in 2011 which sounds like it was a blessing.
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Post by greenchristian on Sept 12, 2020 13:50:26 GMT
Given that his salary as Prime Minister is somewhere around £160,000 a year and the fees at Eton are £40,000 (I don't know that any of his offspring are going/go there) then you can see that there might be a slight disparity. Sending your children to a public school is a choice, not an obligation. If you can't make ends meet on a salary of £160,000 then you are deliberately choosing to live beyond your means.
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Post by J.G.Harston on Sept 12, 2020 15:06:08 GMT
Unless you've got some sort of old rules shared care POCSA deal. I had to handle one of them. He was a right arse about his arrears: I was almost tempted to try and get it to migrate to CS2 so I could break and send it clerical! (I appreciate this makes little sense to anyone else). Sadly (or otherwise) none of those old rules shared care POCSA deals are live any longer. The whole thing is 2012 scheme now and has been for some years. I didn't quite keep up with CSA maintainance rules (not being a parent, and my parents divorcing several decades before CSA), so lost track of what they were. I could never work out if they were, for example: pay £25 per month or pay 25% of your income per month. The first could be unaffordable, the second by definition can never be unaffordable.
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Post by ilerda on Sept 12, 2020 16:26:00 GMT
OK, this is a rumour that I heard yesterday. Johnson can't afford to meet all his domestic obligations on his Prime Minister's salary so is going to stand down in January. I can see a certain logic to this: he will have delivered Brexit which was his primary focus; it will be a godawful mess, but he has a long record of walking away from those; he was not anticipating his premiership getting enmired in the Coronavirus problem and is not going to want to be around when the inevitable public inquiries start pointing the finger; his illness has obviously left him even less capable or performing efficiently than he used to be; his performances at Prime Ministers Questions have been utterly lamentable and Starmer is just going to carry on plodding rings around him; and his popularity with the public has waned to the point where it has been replaced by an indifference that won't take much to tip over into the sort of permanent hostility now faced by Blair. I think we can file this in the “Thinking, Wishful (Delirious)” category.
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