johnloony
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Post by johnloony on Nov 19, 2021 11:28:45 GMT
There was online speculation that the left-leaning Independent candidates in Liverpool were getting some traction - they were running hard on Starmer's recent decision to write for the Sun - so Labour will be happy enough with those results given the dreadful turnouts. Well, tbf, they did get some traction - 11% in both wards in a crowded field of also-rans - but nowhere near enough of course. The other 88% were presumably sensible enough to realise that Liverpool City Council doesn’t have jurisdiction over the private commercial employment of MPs doing second jobs |
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 19, 2021 11:30:46 GMT
Well, tbf, they did get some traction - 11% in both wards in a crowded field of also-rans - but nowhere near enough of course. The other 88% were presumably sensible enough to realise that Liverpool City Council doesn’t have jurisdiction over the private commercial employment of MPs doing second jobs Such considerations have never stopped protest voting of that type on some occasions in the past.... |
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Post by timmullen1 on Nov 19, 2021 11:31:03 GMT
What akmd said, plus any switching seems more in the small to medium towns and cities rather than the large ones - Manchester council remains Tory-free, and the Tories in Birmingham are largely in the Sutton Coldfield area, which is really a totally different universe to the metropolis. If you ignore areas dominated by students and ethnic minorities, what is so different about Stoke on Trent compared to social housing rich inner cities? Speaking as a resident of Stoke, as evergreenadam said, far less insular, but also places like Manchester and Liverpool have better infrastructure, more investment (we have nothing to rival the regeneration that’s gone on in those two cities, the best we can manage is Stoke City’s godawful stadium and dozens of warehouse like distribution centres). There has long been a resentment that investment goes to Birmingham, Manchester and Liverpool that even goes back to pre-unitary authority days when Stoke frequently complained that more money was invested by the County Council in rural parts of the County and never came north of Stafford. This manifested itself electorally first in the rise of Martin Bell inspired Independents and then the BNP; I suspect it was only the continued strength of the City Independents, providing an alternative to the Labour Party, that prevented UKIP from gaining an electoral foothold locally. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Nov 19, 2021 11:34:42 GMT
Not much sign of it in yesterday's Manchester byelection either tbf. Chorlton isn't anywhere near the "relatively deprived" category. It’s more akin to Grim up North London territory. |
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Post by samdwebber on Nov 19, 2021 11:41:35 GMT
Any word from West Devon yet?
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Post by timmullen1 on Nov 19, 2021 12:02:03 GMT
Any word from West Devon yet? Not that I can see, the most recent mention on my Twitter search is from a certain [mention]andrewteale [/mention] three hours ago. |
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iain
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Post by iain on Nov 19, 2021 12:12:59 GMT
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iain
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Post by iain on Nov 19, 2021 12:14:42 GMT
So:
Conservative - 32.5%
Labour - 32.4%
Lib Dem - 19.4%
Green - 15.8%
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Post by lackeroftalent on Nov 19, 2021 12:16:29 GMT
was it one vote or a tie?
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cogload
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Post by cogload on Nov 19, 2021 12:16:57 GMT
Ouch.
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Post by andrewp on Nov 19, 2021 12:17:08 GMT
Twitter will explode. 1) How can this happen in Geoffrey Cox’s constituency. 2) Progressive alliance. |
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Post by andrew111 on Nov 19, 2021 12:18:33 GMT
So: Conservative - 32.5% Labour - 32.4% Lib Dem - 19.4% Green - 15.8% Not very surprising. The Lib Dem councillor had been there for ages, sometimes as an Independent, and Labour beat the second Lib Dem candidate last time |
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 19, 2021 12:23:00 GMT
I did wonder about how Labour might do, not least given their very good byelection performances in East Devon recently.
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Post by andrewp on Nov 19, 2021 12:30:38 GMT
Damn the party that comes 2nd and loses by 1 vote,
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Post by evergreenadam on Nov 19, 2021 12:34:26 GMT
I did wonder about how Labour might do, not least given their very good byelection performances in East Devon recently. They did very well! Has there ever been a Labour councillor on West Devon DC? |
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Post by middleenglander on Nov 19, 2021 12:36:42 GMT
Canterbury: Gorrell - Green gain from Labour| Party | 2021 votes | 2021 share | since 2019 "top" | since 2019 "average" | since 2015 "top" | since 2015 "average" | | Green | 1,149 | 43.9% | +10.3% | +15.7% | +30.8% | +30.8% | | Labour | 803 | 30.7% | -6.0% | -10.6% | +3.9% | +3.9% | | Conservative | 608 | 23.2% | +0.2% | +0.5% | -5.5% | -4.1% | | Workers | 58 | 2.2% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Liberal Democrat |
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| -6.8% | -7.8% | -7.7% | -7.6% | | UKIP |
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| -16.0% | -17.2% | | Independent |
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| -6.0% | -6.4% | | TUSC |
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| -1.7% | -1.7% | | Total votes | 2,618 |
| 68% | 78% | 38% | 41% |
Swing: Labour to Green 8¼% / 13¼% since 2019 and, less meaningful, 13½% since 2015 Council now: 22 Conservative, 9 Labour, 6 Liberal Democrat, 1 Green Liverpool: Anfield - Labour hold | Party | 2021 B votes | 2021 B share | since 2021 | since 2019 | since 2018 | since 2016 | | Labour | 604 | 55.9% | -11.5% | -17.4% | -24.1% | -19.4% | | Liberal | 281 | 26.0% | +15.0% | +18.9% | +23.5% | +19.8% | | Liberal Democrat | 73 | 6.8% | +2.1% | +1.8% | +0.7% | +1.1% | | Green | 72 | 6.7% | -0.9% | -3.1% | +1.5% | +1.0% | | Conservative | 42 | 3.9% | -1.4% | -1.0% | -2.4% | -0.3% | | No Description | 9 | 0.8% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Independent |
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| 48% | 55% | 49% | 51% |
Swing: Labour to Liberal (not Democrat) 13¼% since May, 18¼% since 2019, 23¾% since 2018 and 19½% since 2016 Council now: 70 Labour, 12 Liberal Democrat, 4 Green, 3 Liberal, 1 Independent Liverpool: Clubmoor - Labour hold | Party | 2021 B votes | 2021 B share | since 2021 | since 2019 B | since 2019 | since 2018 | since 2016 | | Labour | 787 | 54.5% | -7.6% | -31.9% | -19.7% | -28.6% | -18.8% | | Liberal | 324 | 22.4% | +3.2% | +16.7% | +13.9% | +17.4% | +15.4% | | Independent | 167 | 11.6% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | TUSC | 54 | 3.7% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Green | 45 | 3.1% | -4.7% | -1.4% | -5.1% | -0.9% | -5.5% | | Liberal Democrat | 34 | 2.4% | -3.2% | -1.0% | -2.6% | -0.6% | -4.9% | | Conservative | 33 | 2.3% | -3.0% | from nowhere | -1.8% | -2.7% | -1.4% | | Total votes | 1,444 |
| 54% | 20% | 61% | 56% | 51% |
Swing: Labour to Liberal (not Democrat) 5½% since May, 24¼% since 2019 by-election on General Election day, 16¾% since 2019, 23% since 2018 and 17% since 2016 Council now: 70 Labour, 12 Liberal Democrat, 4 Green, 3 Liberal, 1 Independent Liverpool: Kirkdale - Labour hold | Party | 2021 B votes | 2021 B share | since 2021 | since 2019 | since 2018 | since 2017 B | since 2016 | | Labour | 852 | 61.7% | +2.3% | -16.9% | -20.5% | -28.8% | -17.7% | | No Description | 171 | 12.4% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Green | 160 | 11.6% | -0.1% | +5.5% | +7.5% | +9.1% | +5.0% | | TUSC | 84 | 6.1% | -5.2% | from nowhere | +0.2% | from nowhere | -4.0% | | Conservative | 57 | 4.1% | -1.7% | +2.9% | +0.1% | -0.8% | +0.3% | | Liberal Democrat | 57 | 4.1% | -3.9% | +0.3% | +1.1% | +2.0% | from nowhere | | Liberal |
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| 48% | 56% | 54% | 19% | 51% |
Swing: Npt meaningful Council now: 70 Labour, 12 Liberal Democrat, 4 Green, 3 Liberal, 1 Independent Manchester: Chorlton - Labour hold | Party | 2021 B votes | 2021 B share | since 2021 | since 2019 | since 2018 "top" | since 2018 "average" | | Labour | 1,581 | 52.1% | -15.9% | -4.9% | -6.3% | -7.5% | | Liberal Democrat | 657 | 21.7% | +16.3% | +8.9% | +10.4% | +11.5% | | Green | 608 | 20.1% | +3.0% | -1.0% | +6.6% | +6.5% | | Conservative | 93 | 3.1% | -3.8% | -1.6% | -2.5% | -1.8% | | Women's Equality | 66 | 2.2% | -0.4% | -1.1% | -6.4% | -6.8% | | Independent | 27 | 0.9% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Previous Independent |
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| -1.3% | -2.7% | -2.8% | | Total votes | 3,032 |
| 56% | 67% | 56% | 58% |
Swing: Labour to Liberal Democrat 16% since May, 7% since 2019 and 8¼% / 9½% since 2018 Council now: 94 Labour, 1 Liberal Democrat, 1 Green Ryedale: Cropton - Liberal (not Democrat) hold | Party | 2021 votes | 2021 share | since 2019 | since 2015 | since 2011 | | Liberal | 202 | 39.6% | -15.5% | -13.2% | -7.1% | | Conservative | 155 | 30.4% | +10.9% | -16.8% | -15.5% | | Green | 121 | 23.7% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Labour | 32 | 6.3% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Independent |
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| 78% | 51% | Row 8 column 6 |
Swing: Liberal to Conservative 13¼% since 2019 but Conservative to Liberal 1¾% since 2015 and 4¼% since 2011 Council now 11 Conservative, 5 Independent Group, 5 Liberal, 3 Independents for Ryedale, 3 Ryedale First Independent, 2 Liberal Democrat, 1 Independent South Ribble: Bamber Bridge East - Labour hold | Party | 2021 votes | 2021 share | since 2019 "top" | since 2019 "average" | since 2015 "top" | since 2015 "average" | | Labour | 376 | 53.7% | +7.2% | +7.5% | -6.3% | -5.4% | | Conservative | 275 | 39.3% | +9.5% | +10.1% | -0.7% | -1.6% | | Green | 49 | 7.0% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | UKIP |
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| 69% | 71% | 37% | 39% |
Swing: Labour to Conservative 1¼% since 2019 and 2¾% / 2% since 2015 Council now: 22 conservative, 22 Labour, 5 Liberal Democrat, 1 Independent Tewkesbury: Brockworth East - No Description, presumably Brockworth First, hold | Party | 2021 votes | 2021 share | since 2019 "top" | since 2019 "average" | | No Description | 499 | 68.3% | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Conservative | 110 | 15.0% | -9.4% | -8.6% | | Liberal Democrat | 87 | 11.9% | -1.0% | +1.0% | | Labour | 35 | 4.8% | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Previous No Description |
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| -9.6% | -10.3% | | Total votes | 731 |
| 79% | 82% |
Swing: not particularly meaningful Council now: 23 Conservative, 8 Liberal Democrat, 4 Brockworth First, 2 Tewkesbury & Twinning Independent, 1 Green West Devon: Bere Ferrers - result awaited Friday | Party | 2021 votes | 2021 share | since 2019 "top" | since 2019 "average" | since 2017 B | since 2015 "top" | since 2015 "average" | | Conservative | 362 | 32.5% | +2.4% | -2.0% | -19.7% | +8.1% | +8.8% | | Labour | 361 | 32.4% | +12.1% | +15.3% | -2.0% | +17.0% | +16.9% | | Liberal Democrat | 216 | 19.4% | -11.8% | -7.9% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | | Green | 176 | 15.8% | from nowhere | from nowhere | from nowhere | -0.1% | -0.3% | | UKIP |
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| -26.4% | -26.6% | | Total votes | 1,115 |
| 79% | 81% | 91% | 40% | 40.2% |
^ 2015 Independent council elected as Liberal Democrat in 2019 and previously in 2011 and 2007
Swing: Not particularly meaningful but Liberal Democrat to Conservative 7% / 3% since 2019
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Council now: 16 Conservative, 10 Independent, 2 Green, 2 Non-Aligned, 1 Liberal Democrat
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Post by agbutler on Nov 19, 2021 12:37:53 GMT
I did wonder about how Labour might do, not least given their very good byelection performances in East Devon recently. They did very well! Has there ever been a Labour councillor on West Devon DC? Not since 2003 at the very least |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Nov 19, 2021 12:38:22 GMT
I did wonder about how Labour might do, not least given their very good byelection performances in East Devon recently. They did very well! Has there ever been a Labour councillor on West Devon DC? 1991 they topped the poll in.... Bere Ferrers |
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Post by evergreenadam on Nov 19, 2021 12:38:51 GMT
was it one vote or a tie? Looks like one vote, no mention of a tie on West Devon DC press release. Turnout was 37.5%. |
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Post by andrewp on Nov 19, 2021 12:39:20 GMT
I did wonder about how Labour might do, not least given their very good byelection performances in East Devon recently. They did very well! Has there ever been a Labour councillor on West Devon DC? Yes, one. Elected in Bere Ferrers from 1987-99 |
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