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Post by andrewp on Nov 12, 2021 11:27:31 GMT
I just read the comments on Twitter to some of Britain Elects tweets to some of last nights votes. Every week you get the following: The assumption that any Conservative win with less than 50% would be an automatic loss for them with a Progressive alliance. Even if like Lincolnshire last night, some of that non Conservative vote is for Independents. There is also genuine surprise/ excitement from some that Labour can be competitive in any ward in a safe Conservative parliamentary seat. If there’s ever a by election in one of the safe Labour wards in Bridgwater, I think they might explode. Then there is the surprise/ disgust from some that anyone votes Conservative ever anywhere. And then there are those who think that every local by election is a parliamentary by election. I laughed quite a lot at some of the BE comments on the Bolton result two weeks back. The concept of somewhere in Bolton voting 70% Conservative is apparently too difficult for some people to understand. I think anywhere in the North of England voting Conservative shocks some of them. |
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Post by timmullen1 on Nov 12, 2021 11:35:50 GMT
I just read the comments on Twitter to some of Britain Elects tweets on some of last nights votes. Every week you get the following: The assumption that any Conservative win with less than 50% would be an automatic loss for them with a Progressive alliance. Even if like Lincolnshire last night, some of that non Conservative vote is for Independents. There is also genuine surprise/ excitement from some that Labour can be competitive in any ward in a safe Conservative parliamentary seat. If there’s ever a by election in one of the safe Labour wards in Bridgwater, I think they might explode. Then there is the surprise/ disgust from some that anyone votes Conservative ever anywhere. And then there are those who think that every local by election is a parliamentary by election. Equally the pro-Starmer Facebook groups, which are as cultish as the pro-Corbyn ones, see Labour defending a Ward, anywhere, that they’ve held since time immemorial as undeniable evidence of a complete collapse of Conservative-ism, and proof positive of an oncoming 1997 style landslide. Any attempt to introduce reality immediately has you marked as a troll, a Corbynite, or a combination of the two. |
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Post by The Bishop on Nov 12, 2021 11:51:01 GMT
No millennials are hitting 40 yet, that starts on 1st Jan next year (I speak as a back end Gen Xer who's younger sister is a very early millennial and can attest that those extra couple of years made a lot of difference...). The cohort is widely seen as being 1981 births onwards? (Wikipedia gives 1981-1996 as the typical definition, for instance.) As said before, my personal benchmark in a UK context is general elections - old enough to vote in 1997 makes you Generation X, younger than that a millennial. Which would place the cut-off point in 1979 (and similarly, to me a "boomer" is somebody old enough to vote in the GE *that* year) |
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Post by Khunanup on Nov 12, 2021 12:07:52 GMT
No millennials are hitting 40 yet, that starts on 1st Jan next year (I speak as a back end Gen Xer who's younger sister is a very early millennial and can attest that those extra couple of years made a lot of difference...). The cohort is widely seen as being 1981 births onwards? (Wikipedia gives 1981-1996 as the typical definition, for instance.) The only factor that makes sense for the descriptive name is that the oldest of the cohort hit the age of majority, 18, in the new millennium (thus the oldest were born on 1st Jan '82). Otherwise you might as well just use Generation Y as the descriptor. I think my lucky stars that I'm just a little old to be labelled a millennial, probably the worst generation group to be a part of in terms of reputation, and that's not likely to get better with age. Probably the most transitional generation too. Born into the analogue/proto-digital world, reached adulthood in the fully digital world they are children of neither one nor the other. |
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Post by Khunanup on Nov 12, 2021 12:18:23 GMT
The cohort is widely seen as being 1981 births onwards? (Wikipedia gives 1981-1996 as the typical definition, for instance.) As said before, my personal benchmark in a UK context is general elections - old enough to vote in 1997 makes you Generation X, younger than that a millennial. Which would place the cut-off point in 1979 (and similarly, to me a "boomer" is somebody old enough to vote in the GE *that* year) Yeah, but that doesn't sociologically work. Those of us born in the very late '70s/very early '80s have much more in common with our 5 to 10 years older antecedents than the 5 to 10 year younger cohort. Growing up, and being aware of the still very real Cold War, digital tech still being very much an additional supporting tool to the analogue, including at school, experiencing the '90s properly, which was the last stand out creative, transitional decade and of course, minimal TV channels... 😀 |
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Post by owainsutton on Nov 12, 2021 12:34:49 GMT
As said before, my personal benchmark in a UK context is general elections - old enough to vote in 1997 makes you Generation X, younger than that a millennial. Which would place the cut-off point in 1979 (and similarly, to me a "boomer" is somebody old enough to vote in the GE *that* year) Yeah, but that doesn't sociologically work. Those of us born in the very late '70s/very early '80s have much more in common with our 5 to 10 years older antecedents than the 5 to 10 year younger cohort. Growing up, and being aware of the still very real Cold War, digital tech still being very much an additional supporting tool to the analogue, including at school, experiencing the '90s properly, which was the last stand out creative, transitional decade and of course, minimal TV channels... 😀 1980 DOB here, this doesn't ring true to my experience at all. |
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Post by owainsutton on Nov 12, 2021 12:36:33 GMT
I laughed quite a lot at some of the BE comments on the Bolton result two weeks back. The concept of somewhere in Bolton voting 70% Conservative is apparently too difficult for some people to understand. I think anywhere in the North of England voting Conservative shocks some of them. It also baffles them when the Green Party win in a rural location/a suburban ward/a deprived area/a wealthy area/a Leave-voting area/anywhere outside of Brighton and Bristol. |
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Post by John Chanin on Nov 12, 2021 14:08:23 GMT
I just read the comments on Twitter to some of Britain Elects tweets to some of last nights votes. Every week you get the following: The assumption that any Conservative win with less than 50% would be an automatic loss for them with a Progressive alliance. Even if like Lincolnshire last night, some of that non Conservative vote is for Independents. There is also genuine surprise/ excitement from some that Labour can be competitive in any ward in a safe Conservative parliamentary seat. If there’s ever a by election in one of the safe Labour wards in Bridgwater, I think they might explode. Then there is the surprise/ disgust from some that anyone votes Conservative ever anywhere. And then there are those who think that every local by election is a parliamentary by election. I laughed quite a lot at some of the BE comments on the Bolton result two weeks back. The concept of somewhere in Bolton voting 70% Conservative is apparently too difficult for some people to understand. There is a fair quota of stupidity on this site, but it’s considerably lower than anywhere else I’ve found. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Nov 12, 2021 14:08:34 GMT
The cohort is widely seen as being 1981 births onwards? (Wikipedia gives 1981-1996 as the typical definition, for instance.) As said before, my personal benchmark in a UK context is general elections - old enough to vote in 1997 makes you Generation X, younger than that a millennial. Which would place the cut-off point in 1979 (and similarly, to me a "boomer" is somebody old enough to vote in the GE *that* year) My first election year was 1987, does that make me Generation W? |
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Post by timmullen1 on Nov 12, 2021 15:04:02 GMT
As said before, my personal benchmark in a UK context is general elections - old enough to vote in 1997 makes you Generation X, younger than that a millennial. Which would place the cut-off point in 1979 (and similarly, to me a "boomer" is somebody old enough to vote in the GE *that* year) My first election year was 1987, does that make me Generation W? I was 1983, does that make me Generation Jurassic? |
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Post by andrew111 on Nov 12, 2021 15:32:38 GMT
My first election year was 1987, does that make me Generation W? I was 1983, does that make me Generation Jurassic? No! |
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Post by listener on Nov 15, 2021 16:32:23 GMT
Now that all the detailed results are in, it appears to be another week of low turnouts in England. Andrew, in his ever absorbing previews, predicted a low turnout in Lancaster and provided argumentation as to why. He was right - 13.4%. The turnouts in Melton and Thanet weren't much better - and Sleaford West was also below 20% and it was still under 22% in Metheringham.
By contrast Wals performed well, with 42% in Denbighshire and just over 38% in Cardiff. You could not get two more diverse wards than Llandrillo and Cardiff Heath; I would have expected a much lower turnout in a far-flung rural seat.
Can anyone suggest why the turnouts are so different in England and in Wales?
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Post by owainsutton on Nov 15, 2021 19:17:35 GMT
Now that all the detailed results are in, it appears to be another week of low turnouts in England. Andrew, in his ever absorbing previews, predicted a low turnout in Lancaster and provided argumentation as to why. He was right - 13.4%. The turnouts in Melton and Thanet weren't much better - and Sleaford West was also below 20% and it was still under 22% in Metheringham. By contrast Wals performed well, with 42% in Denbighshire and just over 38% in Cardiff. You could not get two more diverse wards than Llandrillo and Cardiff Heath; I would have expected a much lower turnout in a far-flung rural seat. Can anyone suggest why the turnouts are so different in England and in Wales? High rates of registration for postal votes would be an obvious possibility in rural seats. |
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Post by Arthur Figgis on Nov 16, 2021 0:14:56 GMT
Now that all the detailed results are in, it appears to be another week of low turnouts in England. Andrew, in his ever absorbing previews, predicted a low turnout in Lancaster and provided argumentation as to why. He was right - 13.4%. The turnouts in Melton and Thanet weren't much better - and Sleaford West was also below 20% and it was still under 22% in Metheringham.By contrast Wals performed well, with 42% in Denbighshire and just over 38% in Cardiff. You could not get two more diverse wards than Llandrillo and Cardiff Heath; I would have expected a much lower turnout in a far-flung rural seat. Can anyone suggest why the turnouts are so different in England and in Wales? 80 and 78% respectively of the locals checked Andrew's Previews that day and were assured there was no local by-election for them, so didn't realise they had to vote. |
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