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Post by johnloony on Feb 4, 2022 2:54:37 GMT
So about 16000 votes, are we thinking around 10000 for Tories and 6000 spread amongst the other candidates? No, we were thinking about 13,000 for the Conservative and about 3,000 for others and spoilt. |
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Post by johnloony on Feb 4, 2022 2:56:27 GMT
Once again a by-election declaration has shit microphones. Luckily this time we didn’t have the ghastly scumbag Iain Watson of the BBC talking all over it during the actual declaration itself. |
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Post by minionofmidas on Feb 4, 2022 4:12:24 GMT
The Sky News correspondent said after the result that UKIP came second. had a talking point prepared and didn't let facts interfere? |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Feb 4, 2022 6:48:41 GMT
I'd forgotten this by election was happening.
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Post by johnloony on Feb 4, 2022 6:59:39 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2022 7:15:23 GMT
Who would have won this if it was a real contest?
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Post by John Chanin on Feb 4, 2022 7:25:06 GMT
Psychedelic Movement are the runners-up. Didn't expect that. Part of me was expecting them to be last, because it’s the most obscure party name; part of me was expecting them to get votes from lefty voters who were wanting a not obviously right-wing party name. You have to remember Pilley is a reasonably well known local crank, who stands in local elections, whereas the other fringe parties were outsiders. |
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Post by LDCaerdydd on Feb 4, 2022 7:45:21 GMT
Who would have won this if it was a real contest? Democracy. But the Conservatives would still have an extra MP this morning. |
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Post by froome on Feb 4, 2022 7:51:03 GMT
A fantastic 2nd place for Spoiled Ballots there! It does make you wonder what would happen if Spoiled Ballots actually came top in an election. Presumably the top candidate is still elected, but it would be an extremely embarrassing position to be in. I'm trying to picture the next bar charts... |
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Post by yellowperil on Feb 4, 2022 7:54:37 GMT
I'd forgotten this by election was happening. You have that in common with the majority of the electorate in Southend West. |
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Post by grahammurray on Feb 4, 2022 8:45:40 GMT
Here's an idea. Add them up. “Add them up”? Add what up? It is impossible to “add up” any numbers, before we know what any of the numbers are. Either you are apocalyptically stupid, in which case it might be necessary to cut you in half with a scythe, or you have completely missed the whole point that I was making. I will be charitable in assuming the latter, so I will explain. At the start of the count, the returning Officer knows what the electorate is. In this case, it is 66,354. Call it E. Then, at the end of the verification stage, the Returning Officer knows what the total number of ballot papers is. In this case it is 15,942. Call it V. Then, the Returning Officer calculates the turn out (V/E) and usually announces it as a percentage, accurate to 2 decimal places. In this case, 24.03%. Call it T%. Then, all the normal people, who wants to know what the turnout was, calculate the turnout (E x T%) and get a number which, in this case, ranges from 15,942 to 15,948. Then, all the normal people are annoyed because they have not been told the percentage turnout to a sufficiently high level of accuracy to be able to know what the turnout was. Then, all the normal people (if they are at the count) go to the returning Officer in order to ask specifically what the turnout was as a number and not as a percentage, and are told that it was V. Or, if they are not at the count and are at home watching on television, they ask people on Twitter to try to find out what V was. Then, the sorting stage of the count takes place, as a result of which the returning Officer discovers that the number of votes cast for each candidate was A, B, C etc, and Z spoilt votes. Then, the result is declared, and everybody knows what A, B, C, etc and Z are. Then, all the normal people add up A plus B plus C plus Z, and subtract the total from V, in order to find out what the discrepancy is between the declared total and the verification total. If there is a significant discrepancy between V and the total of a, B, C and Z, then the candidates and agents at the count will immediately be alerted to, and will be conscious of, the possibility of an error, and will, if necessary, request a recount. The whole point of this process is that it is necessary for normal people to know what the verification total (V) is, as a number, before the total number of votes for each candidate is known. Unless there's an R in the month. In your own words here's where your argument falls on its arse. "Then, all the normal people are annoyed because they have not been told the percentage turnout to a sufficiently high level of accuracy to be able to know what the turnout was." No, they aren't. |
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Post by yellowperil on Feb 4, 2022 9:42:10 GMT
A fantastic 2nd place for Spoiled Ballots there! It does make you wonder what would happen if Spoiled Ballots actually came top in an election. Presumably the top candidate is still elected, but it would be an extremely embarrassing position to be in. I'm trying to picture the next bar charts... ..Only Spoiled Ballots can win here... |
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Post by andrewteale on Feb 4, 2022 9:44:50 GMT
Con 12792 Psychedlic party 2nd = 512 UKIP 400 others <400 Highest Conservative Vote Share in History, Proof that outside of the metropolitican elites the people still belive in boris Middleton and Prestwich 1940 says hi. |
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Post by Defenestrated Fipplebox on Feb 4, 2022 9:49:03 GMT
It does make you wonder what would happen if Spoiled Ballots actually came top in an election. Presumably the top candidate is still elected, but it would be an extremely embarrassing position to be in. I'm trying to picture the next bar charts... ..Only Spoiled Ballots can win here...
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Post by iainbhx on Feb 4, 2022 10:51:42 GMT
Highest Conservative Vote Share in History, Proof that outside of the metropolitican elites the people still belive in boris Middleton and Prestwich 1940 says hi. One wonders if the secret service bothered looking at the very small number of people who voted for the BUF during the Battle of France. |
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 4, 2022 11:01:43 GMT
Loving how some candidates arrived at the count more than 30 minutes before the first ballot box! The smart ones arrive 30-minutes before the declaration having had a shower, a change, a shag, a meal and some drinking with friends. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2022 11:08:25 GMT
Loving how some candidates arrived at the count more than 30 minutes before the first ballot box! The smart ones arrive 30-minutes before the declaration having had a shower, a change, a shag, a meal and some drinking with friends. Ah but if you’re sad and like the atmosphere of the count 🙂 (Or just want to be interviewed by the media whilst they look for something to say) |
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Post by yellowperil on Feb 4, 2022 11:15:31 GMT
Loving how some candidates arrived at the count more than 30 minutes before the first ballot box! The smart ones arrive 30-minutes before the declaration having had a shower, a change, a shag, a meal and some drinking with friends. All of those those activities"with friends" I presume? |
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Post by carlton43 on Feb 4, 2022 11:16:03 GMT
The smart ones arrive 30-minutes before the declaration having had a shower, a change, a shag, a meal and some drinking with friends. Ah but if you’re sad and like the atmosphere of the count 🙂 (Or just want to be interviewed by the media whilst they look for something to say) Then, you would be either :- a tribalist a saddo an enthusiast young |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2022 11:22:53 GMT
Ah but if you’re sad and like the atmosphere of the count 🙂 (Or just want to be interviewed by the media whilst they look for something to say) Then, you would be either :- a tribalist a saddo an enthusiast young 😂 Can’t argue with that. |
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