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Post by ClevelandYorks on Jan 11, 2022 19:57:32 GMT
Psychedelic movement sounds…interesting
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 11, 2022 20:01:27 GMT
Psychedelic movement sounds…interesting Their policy on letterboxes will find some support on this forum |
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Post by neilm on Jan 11, 2022 20:17:36 GMT
Hasn't Vicky Ford beat them to it?
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Post by minionofmidas on Jan 11, 2022 23:30:20 GMT
Psychedelic movement sounds…interesting I can get behind up to five of these. That's possibly more than for any other of these jokers. |
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Post by J.G.Harston on Jan 11, 2022 23:43:52 GMT
Psychedelic movement sounds…interesting A mish-mash of nonsense policies, but that letterbox one is quite good.  |
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Post by East Anglian Lefty on Jan 12, 2022 10:56:48 GMT
Presumably there's a decent chance of Spoiled ballots beating multiple candidates.
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 12, 2022 11:42:41 GMT
Genuinely surprised there is no showing by one of the left splinter parties (there were rumours the Breakthrough Party would stand here)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2022 11:59:08 GMT
I can see the English Democrats and UKIP doing sort of OK, out of the opposing parties. They have name recognition, which is half the battle.
Turnout will probably be abysmal but I suspect this is going to be one of those by-elections that's just 'meh', as far as the media and legacy are concerned.
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Post by peterl on Jan 12, 2022 12:37:54 GMT
I can see the English Democrats and UKIP doing sort of OK, out of the opposing parties. They have name recognition, which is half the battle. Turnout will probably be abysmal but I suspect this is going to be one of those by-elections that's just 'meh', as far as the media and legacy are concerned. There is a decent chance one of the two will save their deposits I reckon. |
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Post by John Chanin on Jan 12, 2022 13:04:33 GMT
I can see the English Democrats and UKIP doing sort of OK, out of the opposing parties. They have name recognition, which is half the battle. Turnout will probably be abysmal but I suspect this is going to be one of those by-elections that's just 'meh', as far as the media and legacy are concerned. There is a decent chance one of the two will save their deposits I reckon. Electorate of 67,000 with a 40 % turnout is 26,800 votes. So you only need 1340 votes to save your deposit. With name recognition UKIP should manage that, and others might if they actually campaign (doubtful though). |
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Post by greenchristian on Jan 12, 2022 13:41:17 GMT
Psychedelic movement sounds…interesting In case anybody is wondering, Hatun Tash (who they want to make queen) is a Christian missionary who focuses on Islam, mostly by engaging people at Speaker's Corner. A few months back she was stabbed in the face whilst there.
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Post by mrsir on Jan 15, 2022 12:25:13 GMT
The English Democrat candidate is Catherine Blaiklock, the founder of the Brexit Party.
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Post by greenhert on Jan 15, 2022 15:15:18 GMT
There is a decent chance one of the two will save their deposits I reckon. Electorate of 67,000 with a 40 % turnout is 26,800 votes. So you only need 1340 votes to save your deposit. With name recognition UKIP should manage that, and others might if they actually campaign (doubtful though). I doubt turnout for this by-election will hit even 40%; 30% is more likely. The turnout for the 2016 Batley & Spen by-election, which also featured major parties not contesting the seat, experienced a turnout of 25.8%. |
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Post by heslingtonian on Jan 15, 2022 16:13:10 GMT
Given the current climate, it would have been interesting if a non Far Right, local and moderate Independent candidate had been standing.
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 15, 2022 16:21:10 GMT
Given the current climate, it would have been interesting if a non Far Right, local and moderate Independent candidate had been standing. Would you care to define the necessary attributes are for any candidate to be considered of the Far Right? I see the phrase bandied about quite a bit and have never understood where the line between centrist, right wing and of the far right lie. I don't think those using the phrase actually know either. Perhaps one could nominate a list of British politicians considered to be of the far right? Or, a list of principles and policies considered to be far right? |
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Post by Adam in Stroud on Jan 15, 2022 16:52:49 GMT
Given the current climate, it would have been interesting if a non Far Right, local and moderate Independent candidate had been standing. Would you care to define the necessary attributes are for any candidate to be considered of the Far Right? I see the phrase bandied about quite a bit and have never understood where the line between centrist, right wing and of the far right lie. I don't think those using the phrase actually know either. Perhaps one could nominate a list of British politicians considered to be of the far right? Or, a list of principles and policies considered to be far right? "Far Right" or "Hard Right" are tricky terms - usually the implication in either case is "Too Much Right" which is obviously subjective as well as generally pejorative. The same goes for "Far Left" etc but on the left the tendency is to go for more precise terms - Trotskyite, Revolutionary Socialist, Marxist-Leninist etc through to Social Democrat and Liberal. The only ones which I think have become too muddled are Social Democrat and Democratic Socialist, which are different in theory but in practice often too close to each other to be easily distinguished (though otherwise reasonably distinct from other left wing categories) and Marxist, which has become a bit of a "Too Left" term. It might be more helpful to talk of e.g. Nationalist Right, Religious Right, Racist Right (e.g. BNP), Populist Right, Traditionalist/Monarchist Right, Libertarian Right etc. Unfortunately the right is less inclined than the left to produce ideological texts that allow you to pin down the ideas and whether or not a specific politician or party endorses them. (Arguably that is part of their strength, like Proteus.) |
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Post by November_Rain on Jan 16, 2022 17:37:55 GMT
Obviously Ms Firth has it in the bag, but it's between UKIP and English Democrats for the silver and bronze medalists with either none, one or both retaining their deposits.
The rest....OK....sounds like a bunch of fruitcakes!
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Post by elinorhelyn on Jan 16, 2022 18:40:08 GMT
The tories would've lost this by-election if contested
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Post by jakegb on Jan 16, 2022 19:34:46 GMT
The tories would've lost this by-election if contested Absolutely - this seat had a lower winning share (for the Cons) than North Shropshire in 2019, and roughly in line with Chesham and Amersham. And look what happened to both of them... Hypothetically, would Labour have allowed the Lib Dems to blatantly pitch themselves as the main challenger to the Tories? Arguably not, I feel, especially with their lead in the polls. Though I also note that Nina Stimson (of the Lib Dems) was only 5% behind the Tories in 1997. The Lib Dems never achieved this sort of figure in North Shropshire (prior to 2021). This seat is safe at the moment; however, Anna Frith cannot rest on her laurels come subsequent election cycles; with clever targeting, this seat could come semi-marginal or possibly marginal (though the East seat will fall first). |
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Post by elinorhelyn on Jan 16, 2022 20:06:34 GMT
The tories would've lost this by-election if contested Absolutely - this seat had a lower winning share (for the Cons) than North Shropshire in 2019, and roughly in line with Chesham and Amersham. And look what happened to both of them... Hypothetically, would Labour have allowed the Lib Dems to blatantly pitch themselves as the main challenger to the Tories? Arguably not, I feel, especially with their lead in the polls. Though I also note that Nina Stimson (of the Lib Dems) was only 5% behind the Tories in 1997. The Lib Dems never achieved this sort of figure in North Shropshire (prior to 2021). This seat is safe at the moment; however, Anna Frith cannot rest on her laurels come subsequent election cycles; with clever targeting, this seat could come semi-marginal or possibly marginal (though the East seat will fall first). ATM, Colchester in the only viable Labour target in Essex |
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