carlton43
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Post by carlton43 on Jan 6, 2022 14:08:09 GMT
But will it be an indicator of anything much? A February by-election in bad weather and short-light days with restricted candidature? Whilst the weather may be bad, I don't see a problem re- the light. Already sunset is later than it has been for almost 7 weeks - ie back to circa 20th November - and by February 3rd it will be later than any day since end of October when we moved from BST to GMT. And the lack of a proper candidate choice? |
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ricmk
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Post by ricmk on Jan 6, 2022 15:34:22 GMT
Main interest will probably be who comes second. Might be Reform UK's best opportunity?
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Post by neilm on Jan 6, 2022 15:43:54 GMT
I predict that in a similar way to the Batley & Spen by-election of 2016, the non-Conservative candidates will all be either far-right extremists or timewasters. Are you suggesting that far-right extremists aren't timewasters? |
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Post by Pete Whitehead on Jan 6, 2022 15:52:16 GMT
Main interest will probably be who comes second. Might be Reform UK's best opportunity? They aren't standing |
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Post by ricmk on Jan 6, 2022 16:26:29 GMT
Main interest will probably be who comes second. Might be Reform UK's best opportunity? They aren't standing Ok thanks. Some decency there, to pass up just about their only shot at getting noticed. Fair play to them. |
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Post by greenhert on Jan 6, 2022 17:48:19 GMT
I predict that in a similar way to the Batley & Spen by-election of 2016, the non-Conservative candidates will all be either far-right extremists or timewasters. Are you suggesting that far-right extremists aren't timewasters? No, because they are timewasters as well. I was trying to refer to perennial candidates in the mould of Ankit Love. |
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Post by timrollpickering on Jan 6, 2022 18:45:26 GMT
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Post by london(ex)tory on Jan 6, 2022 21:20:13 GMT
Ok thanks. Some decency there, to pass up just about their only shot at getting noticed. Fair play to them. We announced pretty quickly that we weren’t going to stand, which I can understand in the context of the other mainstream parties not standing and following what happened in Batley & Spen (mk 1). But going forwards, now both main parties have had a free run after having one of their colleagues murdered by terrorist fanatics, I hope normal service will resume if / when the next MP gets murdered. Voters deserve a real choice on the ballot paper regardless of how tragic the circumstances around the creation of the vacancy. This new “convention” that somehow terrorist murder needs to be treated differently from cancer, heart attacks etc needs to come to an end. |
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Post by The Bishop on Jan 7, 2022 10:54:07 GMT
Whilst the weather may be bad, I don't see a problem re- the light. Already sunset is later than it has been for almost 7 weeks - ie back to circa 20th November - and by February 3rd it will be later than any day since end of October when we moved from BST to GMT. And the lack of a proper candidate choice? Yes, that will certainly be a significant factor in limiting what we can take from this contest. But no election is ever totally meaningless (even unopposed returns tell us *something*) And given its similarity, the 25% turnout and 85% vote for the incumbent party in the 2016 Batley and Spen vacancy might be a decent yardstick for this one. |
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Post by elinorhelyn on Jan 7, 2022 11:02:50 GMT
And the lack of a proper candidate choice? Yes, that will certainly be a significant factor in limiting what we can take from this contest. But no election is ever totally meaningless (even unopposed returns tell us *something*) And given its similarity, the 25% turnout and 85% vote for the incumbent party in the 2016 Batley and Spen vacancy might be a decent yardstick for this one. Anything less than 2/3 of the vote would be a failure |
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Post by greenhert on Jan 11, 2022 17:15:49 GMT
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Post by andrewp on Jan 11, 2022 17:19:05 GMT
Anna Firth has an address in Southend now then. And Julia Amess is her proposer. |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Jan 11, 2022 17:55:46 GMT
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Post by greenhert on Jan 11, 2022 18:09:50 GMT
In other words, just another far-right joker. In fact the only two non-Conservative candidates who do not at least somewhat fit the description of "far right" are the Freedom Alliance and Psychedelic Movement candidates. Another contest reminiscent of Batley & Spen's 2016 by-election, and in all likelihood only the Conservatives' Anna Firth will get her deposit returned. |
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Post by peterl on Jan 11, 2022 18:16:17 GMT
In other words, just another far-right joker. In fact the only two non-Conservative candidates who do not at least somewhat fit the description of "far right" are the Freedom Alliance and Psychedelic Movement candidates. Another contest reminiscent of Batley & Spen's 2016 by-election, and in all likelihood only the Conservatives' Anna Firth will get her deposit returned. Unless there is something particular to the candidates, I think UKIP, Heritage Party and English Democrats are all stretching the definition of "far right". Just "right" really. Looking at her website, not sure Childs seems far right either, again more right wing, similar perhaps to a Tory of twenty or thirty years ago. As for deposits, I would be very suprised if at least one other candidate did not save their deposit. The English Democrats were only just short of doing so in Batley and Spen in 2016, whilst there were two saved deposits outside of the one major party standing in Haltemprice and Howden in 2008, which are probably the closest historical analogies. |
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Post by carolus on Jan 11, 2022 18:45:15 GMT
In other words, just another far-right joker. In fact the only two non-Conservative candidates who do not at least somewhat fit the description of "far right" are the Freedom Alliance and Psychedelic Movement candidates. Another contest reminiscent of Batley & Spen's 2016 by-election, and in all likelihood only the Conservatives' Anna Firth will get her deposit returned. Psychedelic Movement want to put Tommy Robinson in the house of lords... |
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Post by gwynthegriff on Jan 11, 2022 18:56:28 GMT
In other words, just another far-right joker. I wouldn't describe her as "far-right". More . . . confused. Conservative Party member (for now, probably not for much longer), former Corbynista, and complete with the obscure legal row with a regulatory authority (in her case the California Bar) that seem de rigeur for these people. I note that she acquired her English surname by a marriage undertaken as a "joke" and she then complains of the legal difficulties of securing a divorce. Perhaps she should have taken some legal advice? |
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Post by finsobruce on Jan 11, 2022 19:30:35 GMT
In other words, just another far-right joker. In fact the only two non-Conservative candidates who do not at least somewhat fit the description of "far right" are the Freedom Alliance and Psychedelic Movement candidates. Another contest reminiscent of Batley & Spen's 2016 by-election, and in all likelihood only the Conservatives' Anna Firth will get her deposit returned. Psychedelic Movement want to put Tommy Robinson in the house of lords... Semolina pilchard climbing up the Eiffel Tower. St Stephen's Tower |
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Post by John Chanin on Jan 11, 2022 19:34:05 GMT
In other words, just another far-right joker. I wouldn't describe her as "far-right". More . . . confused. Conservative Party member (for now, probably not for much longer), former Corbynista, and complete with the obscure legal row with a regulatory authority (in her case the California Bar) that seem de rigeur for these people. I note that she acquired her English surname by a marriage undertaken as a "joke" and she then complains of the legal difficulties of securing a divorce. Perhaps she should have taken some legal advice? Her candidacy seems mainly to be an advertisement for her book. |
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Post by neilm on Jan 11, 2022 19:38:37 GMT
In other words, just another far-right joker. In fact the only two non-Conservative candidates who do not at least somewhat fit the description of "far right" are the Freedom Alliance and Psychedelic Movement candidates. Another contest reminiscent of Batley & Spen's 2016 by-election, and in all likelihood only the Conservatives' Anna Firth will get her deposit returned. Nothing far right there: she's got a set of views that wouldn't have been out of place in the party only a decade ago. She attended a pre-1992 university. |
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