neilm
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Post by neilm on Oct 30, 2021 13:02:18 GMT
One can only but wonder how quickly he applied.
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Post by neilm on Oct 30, 2021 13:05:47 GMT
Richard Tice will be standing for RefUK. This does absolutely nothing to change the prognosis or the likely result, but lots of journalists will be along in a minute to tell us it does 'Blue Wall', 'must win against the resurgent Lib Dems', 'key test for Starmer', 'if the Lib Dems win there will be no no-go-areas for them' etc etc. Maybe we should set up by-election bingo. A bonus if anyone hears 'Ted Heath's legacy.' |
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The Bishop
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Post by The Bishop on Oct 30, 2021 13:13:42 GMT
Tice's ridiculous statement when REFUK stood aside from the Batley & Spen byelection showed that he is a grifter, not a serious politician.
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Post by johng on Oct 30, 2021 13:20:11 GMT
One can only but wonder how quickly he applied. He inquired on the day Brokenshire's death was announced from what I saw on Twitter. |
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Post by grahammurray on Oct 30, 2021 15:28:44 GMT
If an elector there I would most certainly vote for him. I am dissatisfied with BlueLabour and think they need a shock to show the marked dissent in the ranks. I don't like the entitlement of the big parties in this sentimental stitch-up and feel the incumbent party deserves a bloody nose. The Conservatives will win. What makes this a stitch-up? |
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Post by heslingtonian on Oct 30, 2021 17:45:06 GMT
This does absolutely nothing to change the prognosis or the likely result, but lots of journalists will be along in a minute to tell us it does Though it is interesting as a test for the Reform Party. They won't win, but if they came second (and perhaps won 20% of the vote), it would prove they had the potential to disrupt politics and perhaps even win seats at the next general election. If, on the other hand, they lose their deposit, it probably means they're a busted flush. Furthermore, this seems like the sort of constituency where Richard Tice would go down very well personally. In Hartlepool, where he stood in 2019, he would have been seen as too southern, too affluent, too soft spoken - whereas here that may work in his favour. The problem for the Reform Party is many of the sort of voters they appear to be going after in southern England who are annoyed by the Conservative Party's recent repudiation of fiscal conservatism are likely to be middle aged or relatively young business people many of whom will have voted Remain or at least not been supportive of the hard Brexit the likes of Tice were arguing for when they were the Brexit Party. Many of these people also hold relatively liberal views on immigration. It's a bit like when Farage tried to campaign on anti-lockdown measures, it didn't translate into votes for Reform as most anti-lockdown supporters were youngish people who disliked Brexit. |
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Post by Merseymike on Oct 30, 2021 19:10:03 GMT
From the interview I heard with Tice this morning the issue he appears to be running with is having a referendum on expenditure related to climate change. Something I believe Farage recently raised too.
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Post by jamie on Oct 30, 2021 19:35:06 GMT
From the interview I heard with Tice this morning the issue he appears to be running with is having a referendum on expenditure related to climate change. Something I believe Farage recently raised too. That doesn’t look a particularly popular proposition. People overwhelmingly want to tackle climate change, and they like deadlines that are decades in the future. The Conservatives are also helped by the fact they’re freezing fuel duty (very popular) so its hard to paint them as eco-extremists trying to bankrupt us into submission. Reform seem to have picked an issue where there isn't really much room to the right of the Conservative government among ordinary voters. |
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Post by peterl on Oct 30, 2021 20:08:53 GMT
From the interview I heard with Tice this morning the issue he appears to be running with is having a referendum on expenditure related to climate change. Something I believe Farage recently raised too. Vote Yes, take control! |
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Post by timrollpickering on Oct 30, 2021 21:01:56 GMT
People nearly always agree with a referendum on just about any subject. The only exceptions in regular polls are the monarch and the Eurovision Song Contest (plus neverendums).
However I don't think any poll has ever asked about a referendum on the regulation of traffic cone designs.
Also people aren't so keen on referendums holding up policies:
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 21:09:09 GMT
Tice's ridiculous statement when REFUK stood aside from the Batley & Spen byelection showed that he is a grifter, not a serious politician. Well, we already knew that |
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Post by tonyhill on Oct 31, 2021 7:26:35 GMT
Reform are an irrelevance to British politics. They won't come second; they won't get 20%; and if they save their deposit I will be amazed. I think it will take generations before there is any ppular demand for a referendum on anything after the debacle of the one on the EU, and even less enthusiasm from most political parties.
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Post by johnloony on Oct 31, 2021 9:44:55 GMT
Reform are an irrelevance to British politics. They won't come second; they won't get 20%; and if they save their deposit I will be amazed. I think it will take generations before there is any ppular demand for a referendum on anything after the debacle of the one on the EU, and even less enthusiasm from most political parties. ”Debacle”? |
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Post by tonyhill on Oct 31, 2021 13:05:04 GMT
Yes. Ok, you got the result you wanted in terms of withdrawal from the EU, but the consequence of Cameron's tactic to buy off his opponents in the Conservative Party has been disastrous for the politics of this country (in my view).
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Post by andrew111 on Nov 1, 2021 14:15:43 GMT
Reform are an irrelevance to British politics. They won't come second; they won't get 20%; and if they save their deposit I will be amazed. I think it will take generations before there is any ppular demand for a referendum on anything after the debacle of the one on the EU, and even less enthusiasm from most political parties. There isn't going to be a referendum on net zero. But if you look at the way the Mail and the Express are systematically trashing heat pumps every day, there could well be 15% for a Party that says "Save our gas boilers" (having looked up heat pumps a couple of times I now get a regular diet of such articles) That 15% would come mainly from the Tories. After all, they are the current voters who think Johnson's new Climate zealotry might have some basis other than "Jam tomorrow" |
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Post by Davıd Boothroyd on Nov 1, 2021 14:45:09 GMT
Writ just moved. Polling day I think 2 December but could be a week later.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2021 22:08:18 GMT
If the Lib Dems repeat the Chesham & Amersham swing in Old Bexley & Sidcup
CON 44.6% LD 38.5%
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Post by london(ex)tory on Nov 1, 2021 22:22:51 GMT
If the Lib Dems repeat the Chesham & Amersham swing in Old Bexley & Sidcup CON 44.6% LD 38.5% There’s more chance of me winning the lottery and spending the entirety of my winnings on tofu and vegan fake cheese. |
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Post by agbutler on Nov 1, 2021 23:06:41 GMT
It is more likely that Prince Philip wins this seat than the LibDems
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Post by finsobruce on Nov 1, 2021 23:12:42 GMT
It is more likely that Prince Philip wins this seat than the LibDems Now that would be a by-election special worth staying up for. |
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